Permanently Bewildered09 Jun 2009 11:01 am
By Nelson

Should all phone and internet use be monitored?

Why do “security experts” & politicians only talk about terrorism? Organised crime’s worse & like methane gas, an invisible killer killin a few at a time with the “drip effect”;it kills 1000s anually more than terrorism & is involved in every single aspect of society unlike terorism which generally involves the destruction of infrastructure and WANTS TO BE VISIBLE. I’d rather have a visible enemy killing less than an invisible one – this feels like manipulation for the sake of Orwells 1984 world
Martin Bandera, Newcastle, United Kingdom

Martin has cut right to the heart of the matter here. What we really need are more visible enemies and fewer “drip-effect” fart massacres.

117 Responses to “Silent But Deadly”

  1. on 09 Jun 2009 at 11:04 am Tom

    Methane gas: it kills 1000s anally more than terrorism.

  2. on 09 Jun 2009 at 11:19 am Kyle

    It’s all my fault. I bet him he couldn’t set a fart on fire.

  3. on 09 Jun 2009 at 11:53 am Monsieur LeRuffle

    Orwell must be turning in his grave. Or farting.

  4. on 09 Jun 2009 at 11:58 am coffeebucks

    So… is he pro-terrorism, or pro-methane/farting, or just failing at referencing to a book he’s never read?

    I am quite in favour of methane becoming more visible, even though it doesn’t want to be. Can we get rainbow colours?

  5. on 09 Jun 2009 at 12:03 pm john Adair's Gerbil

    Why do so many HYS’ end with a reference to 1984?

    It’s like 1984, you couldn’t make it up.

    If I’m right.

  6. on 09 Jun 2009 at 12:07 pm Tomsk

    The drip effect of methane gas has lead to millions of angry housewives after christmas dinner.

    This drove Orwell to become a terrorist in 1984 where the BNP was invisible, except when it wanted to be the visible enemy. Like a ghost.

    Terrorists are ghosts.

  7. on 09 Jun 2009 at 12:09 pm wringhim

    I think he’s confusing methane (non toxic though it can suffocate you) with carbon monoxide (which kills about 500 Americans a year and presumably some people elsewhere).

    On the other hand, organised crime does smell of garlic.

  8. on 09 Jun 2009 at 12:09 pm Beggarman Joe

    HYS is at war with oceania, it has always been at war with oceania

  9. on 09 Jun 2009 at 12:13 pm jbd

    1984, blah blah blah, I used to love that book. Now for some reason I feel it has been cheapened, can’t quite think why though. Why don’t they read Down and Out in Paris and London or Homage to Catalonia or even an instruction manual to a sandwich maker, anything but that fucking book.

  10. on 09 Jun 2009 at 12:17 pm Incontinentia

    Pull my finger, Martin. Go on – PULL IT NOW.

  11. on 09 Jun 2009 at 12:22 pm Dr Feelgood

    It’s surprisng how many want:
    a) Privacy for their own surfing and less government interference in the web.
    b) The activity of others to be monitored, and content they don’t like banned by the government.

    It’s a bit like appreciating one’s own farts as interesting and tasty, while other people’s are horrible.

    Hmmm, holding two contradictory opinions simultaneously… it’s really just like ‘doublethink’ from 1984. You couldn’t make it up!

  12. on 09 Jun 2009 at 12:34 pm er

    I think you’re being a bit unfair on this guy. He’s mixed up methane with CO2 and referenced 1984 – the former’s a minor boob, the latter’s a cliche, but so what? He’s still making a fairly sane point, that the focus is all on terrorism because it’s highly visible and sexy, rather than on society’s more insidious other problems which don’t make good TV. So it’s not exactly classic SYB idiocy, but as usual a chance for quite a lot of people here to put their hand up and squeal: “Me! Me sir! I’m cleverer than the spod!” Don’t get me wrong, I love SYB and most of the cretins featured here do deserve the bile, but too many people here just pile in after whatever Nelson posts without even reading it very carefully. Some of you are as cretinous as the HYSers in the kneejerkity of your reactions. IT’S LIKE THAT BOOK, ANIMAL FARM!!!1

  13. on 09 Jun 2009 at 12:35 pm er

    er, methane and CO, not CO2.

    Bollocks…

  14. on 09 Jun 2009 at 12:42 pm jbd

    Well I always thought organised crime was way cooler then terrorism. I have seen at least four episodes of Sopranos and two episodes of 24, both didn’t actually make much sense, but I thought Sopranos was the better of the two.

  15. on 09 Jun 2009 at 1:01 pm alt-f4

    I think what he is actually asking is why the telly only seems to focus on things they can take pictures of.

  16. on 09 Jun 2009 at 1:04 pm John Freeman

    Teh terorests are zombie gostes!!!11!!!!! Liek methanz! Dis hapnd in 1984 or sumfin like warning from the histtry of the future to vote BNPto stop the fashits u cod’nt maek ti up!

  17. on 09 Jun 2009 at 1:17 pm Dr Feelgood

    He’s mixed up methane with CO2 and referenced 1984 – the former’s a minor boob, the latter’s a cliche, but so what?
    er

    A minor boob? Picture this:
    It’s coming up to 13 o’clock and nearly time for the Outer Party summer barbecue – Winston Smith goes to light the barbecue, but agents of Goldstein have substituted CO2 for methane… Then, O’Brien asks for a Victory Gin and tonic, but the CO2 in the tonic water has been replaced with methane – O’Brien lights a Victory cigarette and ka-boom.

    These acts lead poor Smith to be arrested by the Thought Police – so 1984 could be just like Nineteen Eighty-Four.

    Oh, hang on you meant CO – I’ll have to re-work this now. Fuck.

  18. on 09 Jun 2009 at 1:29 pm Aspy

    Ha! Wait till he finds out that I’ve been wanking into his QuarterPounder with Cheese every Thursday!

    There’ll be less worrying about Muslims messing about by moving gaseous elements about the Periodic Table in an effort to confuse his tiny mind once he finds out I’ve been adding my special sauce to his greasy lunches.

    What an epic camel’s flange.

  19. on 09 Jun 2009 at 1:39 pm alt-f4

    “So it’s not exactly classic SYB idiocy”

    All it lacks is the right-wing element that leads the reader to conclude that only a BNP government can solve whatever the fuck it is he is on about.

    All I can infer from his incoherent raving is that:

    terrorist – kills you for free
    mafia – charges you money, then kills you.

  20. on 09 Jun 2009 at 2:31 pm Rotwatcher

    I wonder if Fartin was trying (but epically failed) to make the point that methane is twenty times as bad as CO2 in climate terms.

  21. on 09 Jun 2009 at 2:39 pm alt-f4

    people innocently sailing

  22. on 09 Jun 2009 at 3:13 pm Tomsk

    people innocently sailing? LIKE SOMALI PIRATES!?!?!

    You couldn’t make it up.

  23. on 09 Jun 2009 at 3:31 pm alt-f4

    people innocently sailing? LIKE SOMALI PIRATES!?!?!

    Arrr…’twas that land-lubber Joy Patterson a-prattling on some other, now locked thread. Showing her ignorance as usual and giving us Swiss-based ex-pats a bad name. Wanted to test my blockquoting skills too, as they might have been rusty after my hiatus. As for Joy’s comment I guess smuggling arms to war zones, over-fishing in other people’s waters, and dumping your nuclear waste into the shallow waters of their shores is completely innocent – so long as the shoreline in question belongs to blacks.

  24. on 09 Jun 2009 at 4:04 pm Eric Arthur BLIAR

    alt-f4: are you a Swiss-based expat (note: not an immigrunt/forrun, we’re a better class, don’tcherknow. And we may not pay taxes, but there are good reasons why we’re qualititatively different to those thieving MPs) as well? Shall we go to Rolle together and try and find Joy one day?

  25. on 09 Jun 2009 at 4:57 pm Graduatecalling

    I love the idea of a visible enemy, wearing a cape…

  26. on 09 Jun 2009 at 5:14 pm Bit Special

    Oooh, I can’t wait to go to Orwells 1984 World (sic) this summer! The 2+2=5 Crazy Golf is zany madcap fun for all ages and I’ve heard that The Rat Cage is the most extreme ride in Europe! Anyone want to come with? I’ve got a spare ticket (note: no proles allowed).

  27. on 09 Jun 2009 at 5:42 pm Alex

    For gods sake, if one more person compares a facet of this government to Orwell’s 1984 i’m going to kill myself. Its so cliched and unimaginative and to be quite honest isn’t really that good compared to animal farm or homage to catalonia. Its been hijacked by the middle englanders to score points against the government and to looked cultured. twats.

  28. on 09 Jun 2009 at 8:30 pm Fox Mulder

    homage to catalonia

    I loved Catalonia. “It’s all over the frrrront page, you give me rrrrrrrrrrrroad rrrrrrrrrrrrage…”

    Cerys Matthews could have drunk Cloughie under the table, I reckon.

  29. on 09 Jun 2009 at 8:53 pm alt-f4

    Yare you a Swiss-based expat (note: not an immigrunt/forrun, we’re a better class, don’tcherknow.

    The former – I have a job. The latter are too busy defrauding benefits and knifecriming each other to have jobs.

    Shall we go to Rolle together and try and find Joy one day?

    How deep is the lake around there?

  30. on 09 Jun 2009 at 10:24 pm Felix Castor

    I reckon Martin’s onto something.

    Perhaps the police could widen their remit, so as well as investigating terrorism they are also responsible for catching all types of law-breaker?

    Except indigenous white male law-breakers, obviously.

  31. on 10 Jun 2009 at 7:40 am Ghurka Immagrent Knifecrimers Ate My Swan

    too many people here just pile in after whatever Nelson posts without even reading it very carefully

    Shame, shame, SHAME on them! I for one would never do such a thing and have always regarded the comments here as a very important forum for reasoned debate and commentary.

  32. on 10 Jun 2009 at 7:51 am jbd

    Really, you do, you think that this is a forum of reasoned debate and commentary Ghurka Immagrent Knifecrimers Ate My Swan? Wait a moment, your not one of those people that just pile in after whatever Nelson posts without even reading it ver carefully.

  33. on 10 Jun 2009 at 7:53 am jbd

    very, dam typo.

  34. on 10 Jun 2009 at 9:07 am pigfrottage

    Alex,

    Don’t kill yourself. I believe we agreed that anyone invoking Nineteen Eighty-Four for any reason was an Anteater’s rectum of the highest order.

    Channel your rage into online sarcasm and rhetoric. It’s much kinder to your family.

    It’s not that good a book anyway.

  35. on 10 Jun 2009 at 9:45 am millie

    Shall we go to Rolle together and try and find Joy one day?

    Eric and alt sitting in a tree
    K – I – S – S …

  36. on 10 Jun 2009 at 10:22 am Bit Special

    I actually really like 1984 (I read it when very young and it helped galvanise my burgeoning socialist convictions, so it has a special place in my heart). Which makes its appropriation by the twatbaskets, fucktards, assclowns, freaks, fascists and mentals doubly infuriating for me.

    Sorry this wasn’t very funny. Erm, something about how a man whose name rhymes with ‘fartin’ shouldn’t post comments about methane? That’ll have to do.

    PS Alex, don’t top yourself; you’re only young – think of all the cretins you can look forward to mocking over a long lifetime!

  37. on 10 Jun 2009 at 10:36 am Ghurka Immagrent Knifecrimers Ate My Swan With Branston Pickle and Diced Joanna Lumley

    Really, you do, you think that this is a forum of reasoned debate and commentary

    Oh gosh yes. Cripes and bother, I do hope that I am not in the wrong place!

  38. on 10 Jun 2009 at 11:02 am pigfrottage

    NHS thread is brilliant:

    http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&forumID=6571&edition=1&ttl=20090610105729&#paginator

    Top two recommended comments:

    The NHS can survive if we do the following: 1) Allow access to the NHS ONLY by UK residents who were either born here, or who are here legally and who can PROVE they pay into the system. 2) Get rid of all the expensive hospital trusts who’ve done nothing but feather the nest of their high priced executives since it started; 3) Take health care back to basics, primary care first, school health care checks etc. Easy as that!

    Sue, London

    Recommended by 132 people

    ‘What should be done to meet the cost of everyone’s needs?’

    Stop paying GPs £100k+ for a start – they’re not worth it. Get rid of NICE – it’s nonsense. Stop immigration and health tourism. Cut the countless billions of pounds of unnecessary public spending that Labour introduced over the past twelve years. It’s easy to meet the cost of everyone’s health needs, but not with this corrupt, profligate government in power.

    Ian

    Recommended by 94 people

    So it’s all to do with Immigrunts and NuLiabore that we have an ageing population and there are more treatments available that cost money. How foolish I feel. Hey ho…

  39. on 10 Jun 2009 at 11:08 am pigfrottage

    Bit Special,

    Nineteen Eighty-Four is a goodish book, but has been ruined by the over(mis)use of its concepts and phrases to the point that whenever it is mentioned or referenced, 99 times out of 100 it is in a wrong context. Plus that crappy Channel Four programme is really, really, REALLY annoying. Especially as it allows the rise of people with no talent to fame, stardom and wealth. Idiots watching exhibitionists is not particularly edifying for our race.

    Bad sandwich idea – marshmallow and pesto with honey.

    Back to the idiots…

  40. on 10 Jun 2009 at 11:24 am jbd

    Well your not mate. Its great isn’t Mister Ghurkah eating swan man.

  41. on 10 Jun 2009 at 11:30 am jbd

    bad sandwich idea – Paracetamol and peas

  42. on 10 Jun 2009 at 11:35 am Bit Special

    @pigfrottage – well, I did say I read it at a very early age. Yes, it belabours its points unsubtly, but its central context is brilliant. People shouldn’t start hating or rejecting the book just cos of arseholes misappropriating it. Also, it’s not really the book’s fault we have the show ‘Big Brother’. That would be bloody Dutch TV execs.

    Bad sandwich idea: anything with bastard olives in it.

    Anyway, as you say – back to the idiots.

  43. on 10 Jun 2009 at 12:45 pm pigfrottage

    @Bit Special –

    People shouldn’t start hating or rejecting the book just cos of arseholes misappropriating it.

    Point taken. We should still mercilessly rip into the people who do misappropriate it.

  44. on 10 Jun 2009 at 1:47 pm Bit Special

    @pigfrottage –

    Oh, absolutely! Those fucking cunts deserve nothing less. Ideally, they should be made to actually read the bloody thing – the strain of actually using their brain would finish half of them off before the first chapter…

  45. on 10 Jun 2009 at 1:56 pm alt-f4

    they should be made to actually read the bloody thing

    I think they’d prefer the movie. It’s got tits in it.

  46. on 10 Jun 2009 at 2:08 pm jbd

    Still if you had a spare few hours you could watch the movie and pretend you have read the book most if not all adaptations are pretty faithful to the book. I do that with Heart Of Darkness. Never read it, but I have seen Apocalypse Now.

  47. on 10 Jun 2009 at 2:12 pm My Foot Hurts.

    I haven’t read it OR seen the film, which I realise makes me practically unique.

    However, I don’t really think I need to. It’s been referenced so often on HYS that I think I can say with absolute confidence that it’s a book decrying the policies of a socialist fascist capitalist government who consistently tear away the citizens’ civil liberties by being politically correct gone mad and not being tough enough while simultaneously being too interventionist. And there’s a big brother in it, though I’m not sure whose.

    Sounds a bit confusing to me. I’ll stick to Harry Potter.

  48. on 10 Jun 2009 at 2:22 pm pigfrottage

    I’ll stick to Harry Potter

    Now you’re talking. Much better. This from someone who has read all the Harry Potter books, as well as Nineteen Eighty-Four and Animal Farm. I even saw the 1984 Film, but that seemed a bit rubbish to me. Lots of nudity though…

  49. on 10 Jun 2009 at 2:36 pm alt-f4

    I do that with Heart Of Darkness. Never read it, but I have seen Apocalypse Now.

    The film of the same name, starring Tim Roth in the lead role, is even closer to the book than Apocalypse Now and has the added advantage of having tits in it (although that advantage was somewhat negated with the release of Apocalypse Now Redux).

  50. on 10 Jun 2009 at 3:17 pm Richard 'n' Judy

    WTF??!!?!?!

    Is SYB some kind of book club now?

    As for bad sandwich idea – cocaine and peanut butter.

  51. on 10 Jun 2009 at 3:20 pm llamafarmer

    One thing is clear: the NHS is not safe in Labour’s hands. Who doubled GP’s pay while reducing outside surgery hours cover? Labour did. Who created Hospital Trusts? Labour did? Who created an army of NHS burocrats? Labour did. Who set ridiculous GP & Hospital targets? Labour did. Who flooded the NHS with mass immigrants and illegals? Labour did.
    Work it out for yourselves.

    Tony, Leeds Hospital

    I wanted to Tony, I really wanted to but somebody already filled in all the answers!

    For what it’s worth, my answers would have been:

    Labour did
    Labour did
    Labour did
    Labour did
    The Muslims did

  52. on 10 Jun 2009 at 3:21 pm Thatcher's Onanism

    Bad sandwich idea: turnips with tuna and tahini

    and tits

    Orwell pretty much killed himself over the writing of 1984 – if only these cuntards would have the same symptoms from reading/ referencing it.

  53. on 10 Jun 2009 at 3:38 pm alt-f4

    if only these cuntards would have the same symptoms from reading/ referencing it

    Or just lock them in a Room 101 full of immigrants and dolescum with knives.

  54. on 10 Jun 2009 at 3:54 pm Col John Matrix

    “It’s surprisng how many want:
    a) Privacy for their own surfing and less government interference in the web.
    b) The activity of others to be monitored, and content they don’t like banned by the government.”

    They’ll be the same people who, for example, want:
    a) the Government/nanny state to stop interfering with the price and availability of alcohol, so that they can enjoy a drink in peace
    b) the Government/nanny state to interfere with the price and availability of alcohol to other people, so drunken thugs don’t annoy them.

    It’s simple really, one rule for the goodies and one for the baddies. You can tell who the goodies are, they’re the ones that look like white, hard-working, private sector employed heterosexual single indiginus males.

  55. on 10 Jun 2009 at 4:01 pm Oaf

    Also:

    They’ll be the same people who, for example, want:

    a) Zero tolerance on every crime.
    b) Should be allowed to exceed the speed limit by 7MPH without conviction.

  56. on 10 Jun 2009 at 5:55 pm Alex

    Its ok i didn’t kill myself in the end. I ended up going on a massive debate binge dropping off at the Daily Mail website and the BNP group on facebook where i just spent hours abusing them.
    Quite cleansing.

  57. on 10 Jun 2009 at 6:12 pm The Pope

    Bad sandwich idea: communion wafers and bouchons.

  58. on 10 Jun 2009 at 6:24 pm Bit Special

    @ My Foot Hurts – erm, no, that’s not the plot. Although that’s obviously what HYSers think it’s about and that’s why everyone gets so riled about them using ’1984′ as a metaphor for everything they get riled about – for a good example, see what Col. John and Oaf just wrote.

    I’m considering writing crap on HYS under a stupid name saying that everything bad is like ‘Finnegans Wake’ and see how long it takes the usual twatbaskets to start using that too.

    PS you really should read it – as well as being well-written, it’s got sex, torture, the slagging off of lowest common denominator media… what more could you want?

  59. on 10 Jun 2009 at 7:04 pm Owen

    ATTENTION EVERYONE

    Bit Special has read Nineteen Eighty-Four.

    Let us worship this man.

  60. on 10 Jun 2009 at 7:28 pm shallot

    Hello, I don’t know how to do block quotes.

    “Really, you do, you think that this is a forum of reasoned debate and commentary”

    I think what he’s saying is this: if we don’t understand the comments, then we really don’t have a right to make fun of them. Us pointing and laughing for no reason is no better than them pointing and screaming for no reason.

    Oink oink.

  61. on 10 Jun 2009 at 7:57 pm Marjorie Stewart-Baxter

    Bad sandwich idea: Pickled eggs, tabasco and mothballs.

    blockquote

  62. on 10 Jun 2009 at 8:13 pm Bit Special

    @Owen – erm, fuck off? Other people are commenting on the book, but I’m sorry if me in particular knowing something about it threatens you in some way. It’s not like it’s my fave book or owt, I’m just a massive bookworm. I don’t know who this man you wish to worship is, as I’m a woman, but feel free to make a big fuss of ole Eric Arthur Blair, if you really feel like it.

    Why is there no emoticon for ‘waggles little finger’?

    Bad sandwich idea: taramasalata, banana and Branston pickle.

  63. on 10 Jun 2009 at 8:34 pm Tim, England not Wales

    I got half way through 1984 but then got bored, how does it end?

  64. on 10 Jun 2009 at 8:59 pm Dr Feelgood

    Okay, let’s ban people citing books about dystopian futures.

    This feels like manipulation for the sake of Bradbury’s Fahrenheit 451 world.

  65. on 10 Jun 2009 at 8:59 pm The Crushinator

    Not good. Smith betrayed, rats to the face in Room 101, gets brainwashed same as everyone else, says 2+2=5. The end.

    I hope Owen won’t also bitch at me for knowing something about it. He ought to find more to do with his life than be an arse to people who are making what I think were interesting and amusing remarks. What about reading a good book – I’d recommend 1984 by George Orwell…

  66. on 10 Jun 2009 at 9:04 pm Gordon Brown

    I can’t believe people keep saying “Blair” in this thread. Grrr.

    Tony, Ian, Eric. All the same. Red rag to yer average, right-thinking bull.

  67. on 10 Jun 2009 at 9:08 pm Black Lesbian In A WheelChair

    Okay, let’s ban people citing books about dystopian futures.

    Ooooh, can we start quoting from ‘Lace’ by Shirley Conran? Now THERE’S a good book!

  68. on 10 Jun 2009 at 10:17 pm Somali-pirate-sandwich

    I’ve read 1984 AND lace and I’d rather have the goldfish treatment than the rats…

  69. on 10 Jun 2009 at 11:24 pm Bit Special

    What about a rats ‘n’ goldfish combo? The fellas at Gitmo were missing a trick there (I’m sure the goldfish thang would work just as *well* with bumholes)!

  70. on 10 Jun 2009 at 11:24 pm G Doggity Doggy Dogg

    So, 1984′s just Orwell moaning about Gordon Clown checking what porn he looks at whilst keeping an eye on the blacks and paedos that live down his street? Don’t bother to correct me- I’ve got my GCSE in the morning and any new information will just confuse me.

    Bad sandwich idea: Pepperoni and germolene

  71. on 11 Jun 2009 at 12:54 am Daley Mayle

    Don’t forget the immygrunts and homos (or the immygrunt homos)! Good luck, young whippersnapper.

  72. on 11 Jun 2009 at 1:51 am Shawna

    Very interesting and valid point.

  73. on 11 Jun 2009 at 8:53 am alt-f4

    got half way through 1984 but then got bored, how does it end?

    Winston gets fed a shit sandwhich.

  74. on 11 Jun 2009 at 8:54 am alt-f4

    Okay, let’s ban people citing books about dystopian futures.

    That’s a real horrorshow idea, oh my brother.

  75. on 11 Jun 2009 at 10:32 am Set your faces to stunned

    Did Winston get fed a metaphorical shit sandwich?

    A shit sandwich is like life, the more bread you’ve got the less shit you eat?

  76. on 11 Jun 2009 at 10:34 am Tomsk

    The lie is, there is no bread. It’s just NuLab lies and spin I tells ya!

    The future? It’s the stilleto heel of Jacqui Smith stamping on the face of humanity – Forever.

  77. on 11 Jun 2009 at 11:04 am alt-f4

    Did Winston get fed a metaphorical shit sandwich?

    A metaphorical one alas. In the original version I believe it was for real, with two slices of Mother’s Pride spread with one of Big Brother’s own turds.

    Nowadays of course, the PC EU has intervened and decided that white bread is too ethno-centric and unhealthy, the water content of the butter was too high, and that eating shit is offensive to muslims. So in the current EU-approved schools version he gets a burger instead.

  78. on 11 Jun 2009 at 12:04 pm Set your faces to stunned

    A shit filled burger?

  79. on 11 Jun 2009 at 12:35 pm Dr Feelgood

    This argument about using literary references when making web comments is incoherent, ungrammatical, inconsistent, obvious, trite, hackneyed and repetitive – this feels like manipulation for the sake of Brown’s Da Vinci Code world.

  80. on 11 Jun 2009 at 1:10 pm pigfrottage

    I knew Bit Special was a lady based on previous comments. (Also a good laugh, an atheist and an anti-monachist as well). We disagree on the atheism thing but otherwise Bit Special rules. Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World” should also be taboo, as well as “Catch 22″.

    Bad sandwich : salami and grapefuit.

    I want to know what millie thinks…

  81. on 11 Jun 2009 at 1:12 pm pigfrottage

    Dr Feelgood,

    Brown’s Da Vinci Code should also be banned from HYS. Stephen Fry described it as “arse gravy of the worst kind”. I can’t beat that.

  82. on 11 Jun 2009 at 2:25 pm My Foot Hurts.

    Following Bit Special’s recommendation, I tried to buy a copy of ’1984′ this lunchtime, but I tried every bookshop in town and both were out of stock.

    They don’t read much up ‘ere.

    Bad sandwich idea: Kit-Kat and paella.

  83. on 11 Jun 2009 at 2:33 pm GiveItAGo

    Bad sandwich idea: Nick Griffin, Ann Widdecombe and Boris Johnson. *shudder*

  84. on 11 Jun 2009 at 2:36 pm Manly J. Panda

    I like Philosopher link text take on 1984:

    ‘Orwell was a pie-eyed optimist, because when he assumed that there would be human faces for jackboots to stamp on, and therefore some form of resistance.’

    Just off to kill myself now. See ya!

  85. on 11 Jun 2009 at 2:54 pm Clovis Sangrail

    bad sandwich idea: rat, jackboot and victory gin

  86. on 11 Jun 2009 at 3:40 pm Love Me Or Hate Me

    Bad sandwich idea: Marmite, in any form.

    People who think Marmite is nice must have been re-programmed to believe that.

  87. on 11 Jun 2009 at 3:41 pm Rotwatcher

    Since we seem, in the absence of new content, to be turning into a literary appreciation society, I can offer no greater service than to post (again) the best reason yet for despising Dan Brown’s puddle of catsick.

  88. on 11 Jun 2009 at 3:44 pm alt-f4

    I tried to buy a copy of ‘1984′ this lunchtime, but I tried every bookshop in town and both were out of stock

    Funny you should say that. I’ve just sat down on me train home, opened me laptop to see what books I have to read, and lo, 1984 is there. I won’t cut & paste it for you though, but I can give you a synopsis:

    bloke realises he’s powerless and the government and security experts always go on about terrorism but never seem to mention organised crime even though organised crime is responsible for gassing people. Then he realises that the goverment has been taken over by the pc brigade and has opened our borders for immigrants to come in and claim dole. When the immigrants start taking drugs and knifecriming people he wants something done about it but instead is taken into room 101 and forced to eat a shit sandwich (remarketed by the same pc-brigade as a vegi-burger). The End.

  89. on 11 Jun 2009 at 4:19 pm TheViolentMajority

    alt-f4

    That sounds ace. Any idea if this Orwell chap will be writing a sequel?

    Bad sandwich idea – salmon paste and mogadon

  90. on 11 Jun 2009 at 4:24 pm Set your faces to stunned

    And as I look from knifecriming forruns to PC Brigade and from PC Brigade to knifecriming forruns I find I can’t tell which is which.

    If I’m right.

    Bad sandwich idea – Dog shit and Hammerite.

  91. on 11 Jun 2009 at 4:30 pm er

    I keep reading poor Martin’s post to try to work out what it is that is getting you lot so exercised (apart from a kneejerk tendency to put the boot in just because everyone else is), and I confess every time I read it he seems more and more reasonable, even if his prose style & syntax GIVE ME A HEADACHE.

    Apart from his ball-achingly banal 1984 reference, and the CO/methane mix-up, it’s all very reasonable. He’s arguing that terrorism is overhyped by the authorities in order to serve their agenda (hence the 1984 reference – he’s talking about government using phoney conflicts to distract citizens from what’s really going on structurally, so while it’s boring to wheel out ’1984′, it is at least a sound reference in this case). So he’s not Mooslim-bashing, he’s not contradicting himself, he’s slightly odd and cliched in his choice of expressions and references… Basically, there’s nothing to see here, and it’s not a good target for your onanistic jeering.

    I really hope I don’t end up in court one day having my case judged by a jury including any of you lot, cause I’m really not confident about your ability to understand pretty simple arguments.

    Oh, and the top wanker, awarded for posting a post above showing off that he completely missed the point of Martin’s post, is alt-F4, for this gem, which, if posted on HYS in another context, would be liable to turn up on this site for the ritual push-fatty-off-the-rock session, given how much he has utterly missed the point:

    All I can infer from his incoherent raving is that:

    terrorist – kills you for free
    mafia – charges you money, then kills you.

  92. on 11 Jun 2009 at 5:23 pm Bit Special

    Alt-F4 is a fucking dude – what the hell are you on about? YOU couldn’t grasp the point if you impaled your hand on a knitting needle (though you’re welcome to try).

    Pigfrottage is also a total dude, despite being a fan of the big JC (veering dangerously close to group hug territory, get a grip, woman).

    Bad sandwich idea: tofu, duraglit and marzipan. I also concur with marmite=bad. ‘Tis the rectal leakage of Beelzebub himself.

  93. on 11 Jun 2009 at 9:22 pm pigfrottage

    Thanks Bit Special.

    I still want to know what millie thinks.

    Fantastic bad sandwich ideas everyone. I agree with “Love Me Or Hate Me” that Marmite is terrible.

    my latest bad sandwich: horseradish and honey, with ice magic.

  94. on 11 Jun 2009 at 9:59 pm Ed

    Bad sandwich: chilli sauce and electricity.

  95. on 11 Jun 2009 at 10:02 pm Kowalski

    A shit filled burger?

    AKA MacDonalds 1/4 pounder

  96. on 11 Jun 2009 at 11:14 pm My Foot Hurts.

    I also think alt-F4 is a fucking dude, even if he did tell me the ending before I’d had a chance to read the bloody book.

    Anyway, pigfrottage has inflamed my curiosity.

    What DOES millie think?

  97. on 11 Jun 2009 at 11:38 pm millie

    Methinks “I wish I hadn’t read GiveItAGo’s bad sandwich idea so close to bed-time”.

  98. on 12 Jun 2009 at 12:25 am Bit Special

    @pigfrottage – I nearly added ice magic to MY bad sarnie. Obviously great minds think alike (on non-religious matters, at least, hehe)…

    I also agree with millie – not looking forward to my dreams tonight. Mummeeeeee!

  99. on 12 Jun 2009 at 12:48 am ed

    Methinks Er does (doth?) protest too much.

    Methinks Er = Martin (having researched methane on wiki).

    And I believe it was Johnny Vegas who, quite rightly, said that Marmite is morally wrong.

  100. on 12 Jun 2009 at 5:19 am Rod Wrongnob

    100th post lololol

  101. on 12 Jun 2009 at 7:20 am My Foot Hurts.

    @ed

    “Methinks Er = Martin”

    I do believe you’re right – what do the fifth and sixth letters of Martin’s surname spell?

    Coincidence? I think not…

    Hey, I got post number 101. Even I know that has Orwellian significance!

  102. on 12 Jun 2009 at 7:28 am alt-f4

    That sounds ace. Any idea if this Orwell chap will be writing a sequel?

    In the sequel Winston gets waterboarded by the drug squad when they fail to find his “ticking bomb” cannabis.

    As for the aptly named “er”, your speculation that I may have missed the point is entirely reasonable since I never even looked for one, assuming it to be in absentia. The real point, I think, is one of creative off-the-cuff composition intended to entertain, as opposed to an ignorant verbal vomiting of one’s personal and poorly researched thesis on how the world could be made a better place if only everyone would do as I say. I tried that once, and they didn’t. Fuckers. So I gave up and decied to just take the piss instead.

    But I did balls up my synopsis of 1984 and I apologise for that. It doean’t finish with “The End” at all, it finishes with “End Of”.

  103. on 12 Jun 2009 at 7:41 am alt-f4

    bit special, foot hurts, thanks btw.

    Where do you think er’s feelings of guilt arise from? “I really hope I don’t end up in court one day”. What’s he up to I wonder? I probably won’t be selected to do jury service though, alas. Last time they asked me to do that I wrote back that I considered myself unsuitable because as an anarchist I dispute the right of the state to put people on trial and am predisposed to consider all police testimony to be lies.

    They never wrote back.

  104. on 12 Jun 2009 at 9:15 am Dr Feelgood

    Sorry* to throw more petrol on the flames, but er is completely wrong.

    1) While it may be correct to state that globally more people are killed by organised crime than terrorism, Martin attempts to make the point that there is a conspiracy to conceal the former by talking up the latter.
    1a) I don’t believe this is a sensible conclusion – for example, the US and Mexican media has given a lot of coverage to the drugs violence in Mexico.
    1b) By definition, terrorists seek publicity. This is why they commit public atrocities and communicate with the media. Organised criminals try to keep their crimes secret – their motives for violence may include ‘sending a message’ to others in their milieu, but not the public at large.
    2) He confuses methane with carbon monoxide. A ridiculous mistake.
    3) The conspiracy is compared to Nineteen Eighty-Four (not 1984). A cliché.

    So, there are reasonable grounds for ridicule.

    er sees all this, draws the wrong conclusion, supports 1) and then accuses another of being a ‘top wanker’. I’m not interested in similarly abusing him, but ‘utterly missed the point’ seems a fair summary.

    Unless, of course, er is trying to distract us from the real issue – this feels like manipulation for the sake of Clancy’s Clear and Present Danger world

    * Not really

  105. on 12 Jun 2009 at 9:57 am pigfrottage

    Dr Feelgood

    Admirably succinct summary. I liked the bit at the end of “clear and present danger” when the smoking Nazi gets blown up. I think that it’s all manipulation for the world depicted in “In the Night Garden”. Terrifying…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvvaDVnGn88

    Bad sandwich: vinegar and ice cream

  106. on 12 Jun 2009 at 10:20 am Rotwatcher

    Good sandwich: marmite.

  107. on 12 Jun 2009 at 10:24 am pigfrottage

    Rotwatcher,

    Only if you are starving and have eaten all the plants and grass in the garden first. I HATE Marmite…

  108. on 12 Jun 2009 at 10:48 am Nelson

    So he’s not Mooslim-bashing, he’s not contradicting himself

    You should start a blog collecting factual errors in internet comments.

  109. on 12 Jun 2009 at 10:50 am Nelson

    You could call it http://sorryinoddedoffforamomentthere.com

  110. on 12 Jun 2009 at 11:14 am Dolly's evil nemesis

    If people don’t stop taking (or trying to take) this seriously I’m going to put diced Ghurkas in their pants and pay unemployed trombonists (= all of them usually) to “serenade” them at home. Ahahaha.

    Sheesh.

    Can we please get back to sandwich materials now?

  111. on 12 Jun 2009 at 11:18 am Dolly's evil nemesis

    Why do “security experts” & politicians only talk about terrorism?

    They only do it to annoy
    Because they know it teases
    Something something something else …
    … and rhymes with “baby Jesus”.

  112. on 12 Jun 2009 at 12:50 pm pigfrottage

    Why do “security experts” & politicians only talk about terrorism?

    Because it gets people nice and scared? It helps create an “Us versus Them” mentality, that makes them able to push through otherwise unthinkable legislation like 42 days’ detention without charge.

    Let’s try the poem:

    They only do it to annoy
    Because they know it teases
    I think it has to be a ploy
    To nick all our Maltesers

    If I’m right…

    Bad sandwich: mustard and maltesers.

  113. on 12 Jun 2009 at 6:03 pm Mesostim

    Clear the distinction between the organised crime and terrorism is a contentious one. Simply think of it like this… which one of these would you not buy a biskwit from…
    A/ A mafia panda bear… or
    B/ A terrorist panda bear.

    I know which panda bear the government should be stamping out. if I’m right.

  114. on 13 Jun 2009 at 8:04 am Kowalski

    Everyone knows that Panda Bears, being from commie China, are ALL terrorists commited to the overthrow of the west, wheras the mafia are composed entirely of fluffy bunnies. That one on the telly is clearly an imposter

  115. on 13 Jun 2009 at 9:57 am Mesostim

    How can he be an imposter… that Italian accent is up to ‘Allo ‘Allo standard!!!

  116. on 15 Jun 2009 at 9:01 am millie

    Great sandwich idea: lightly sautéed, thinly sliced Richard Gere’s gerbil, with mustard, on rye.

    Mmm, breakfast time.

  117. on 16 Jun 2009 at 10:24 am Dolly's evil nemesis

    @pigfrottage:

    They only do it to annoy
    Because they know it teases
    I think it has to be a ploy
    To nick all our Maltesers

    Now THAT’S PEOTRY

    I genuflect in the presence of the Master. (Are you, by any chance, really that Carole Annie Dufay, Poet Loriate?

    Made my day, that did. :)