One thing I like is when HYSers consider themselves some kind of Cassandra figure, forgetting that nobody believed Cassandra because of a cruel divine curse, not because she was a self-important fartpump who spouted paranoid, racist wank-cheddar all the live long day. What I hadn’t reckoned with was Tom’s find here, where we are privileged to see what happens when all the good conspiracies are taken.
MWinMilan:
Who funds the Met office?I’m just wondering because isn’t it a bit of a coincidence that the government needs to generate more revenue for GB plc at the moment and in April forecasters suggest it’s probably going to be a nice hot sunny summer in the UK.
Move forward a few months to the end of July and loads of people on tight budgets have booked UK holidays and as I’m sure you’ve all found paid handsomely for them. Now that we’re all committed the Met Office revises it’s forecasts and it’s too late for us to go to the South of France, Spain or wherever else you might go to get a bit of sun.
More evidence of Broon’s macro-managing?
I feel like I’ve been had. Again.
How naive you are MWinMilan. The Met office is and always has been IN THE POCKET OF THE GLOBAL WIND-FARM MAFIA. It’s that simple! Why do you think British weather is so much gustier and drearier than in nearby Spain? Wanna know why? I’ll tell you why: TO KEEP THE WINDMILLS TURNING AND SCUPPER SOLAR. Think about it. Yeah.
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David Icke must know all about the Cassandra effect, thinking about it, spaek your branes could be a government sponsored site, set up to ridicule all the prophets on BBC HYS.
It’s starting to make sense now.
You know who I think is behind all this? Center Parcs, that’s who. I’ve never trusted those lefty bastards, with their European spellings, and their insistence on cycling everywhere like some smelly tofu-hugging crusty. Mark my words, they’re the power behind the meteorological throne, not ZaNuLiarblah.
MW, you’re in Milan. What do you care? Or are you just really, really pissed off that no-one’s paying massively over the odds to stay at your rental villa? (Note: rental villa may not be real villa).
he has a point, i’ve always suspected those cunts in the met office, ever since micheal fish said we would get some light winds in 1987 before the hurricane. bald fucker was definately in the pocket of the association of shite rip off builders, and B&Q
With all the Jets in the sky spraying chemtrails everywhere and the English land covered in windfarms to spead the chemical about, not to mention the phone masts radiating microwave energy everywhere, it’s no wonder the climates changing.
Political correctness has got a lot to answer for I tell you.
Unless it Returns for Real
I’m pretty sure that the above was actually submitted to HYS by Northern Ireland MP / ferret-faced fuckrag Sammy Wilson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Wilson
I wonder if coincidence exists in MWinMilan’s odd, odd world.
Maybe every time there’s a power cut he moans at Maureen next door about how Labour are in the pocket of the candle industry.
The Met office is obviously populated by Guardian reading lefties, if they read the Daily Mail, the weather would be shit all the time.
A rich vein here: http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=6847&edition=1&ttl=20090807191522
Lots of nice conditional-tense stuff from Jim, who seems to still be pondering the issue from a moral perspective whilst unable to keep himself from wanting to seem wise…
Perhaps Cassandra could advise on the likelihood of them re-offending – she has a reputation to rebuild.
But we need to be wary of hidden agendas, as laptopden astutely observes:
So the bomber and the robber will both be out together soon, and taking a boat trip to Libya, to the strains of Dionne Warwick warbling the Burt Bacharach classic “Trains and boats and planes”. If I’m not mistaken.
Your payoff doesn’t quite work.
If I’m right.
I was wondering today who the BBC HYS moderators actually are. I mean, they must be real people right?
Are some people actually employed full-time to trawl through the excrement, day in day out? Is it a job shared out amongst a whole department?
I’m going to e-mail the BBC to find out!
Ha! You think that’s suspicious MW?!? Just wait til you see what the Labour-Met Office Axis has planned for the day of the general election!
I predict everyone will be under six feet of snow, and so unable to vote the bastards out.
Where is Sian Lloyd when her country needs her most!
Wake up Britain!
@ Felix Castor
You are indeed right.
If I’m not mistaken.
Bugger.
At least the blockquotes worked. (I’m not messing with embedded ones though.)
Worst conspiracy theorist ever, since they forgot about the Great Celsius Conspiracy.
The great Cassandra is still among us and posting at Biased BBC. Here s(he) is inviting British Jews to cuddle up to a bunch of Holohoax-deniers:
http://opinionbeyondeducation.blogspot.com/2009/07/organ-of-state.html
The Met Office is part of the Ministry Of Defence so maybe they are hoping to pay for the new aircraft carriers from the kick backs from the wind farm “farmers”.
Back in the world of reality the MoD are one of the biggest objecters to wind farms
The full quote from which Hunter gives us a snippet:
Aaah, that’s some tasty mental. Have been off my mocking* since the untimely death of John Hughes (SOB!), but that’s re-whetted my appetite. ‘The vast majority of Brits have a fondness for our Jewish kin’? Is the next line ‘That’s why, here at Kettering Concentration Camp, the inmates are allowed to play games, relax in the sumptuous stone barracks, earn good money in our factories, play musical instruments and enjoy a variety of wholesome hobbies. Those giant ovens? Oh, they’re, um, there for our cookery and ceramic-glazing classes. Very popular. Over-subscribed, in fact’? And ‘the BNP is wholly supportive of Jews – yes or no?’ should be one of the leading questions on the psychiatric form for assessing who needs sectioning. Anything but ‘durr, NO!’ should be an automatic entry to a locked room.
*Sorry, I’m still not back on form. As you can see.
If the catastrophic warming theory is correct that if you bet on this summer/winter being warmer than last you will score about 4 times out of five. That is the way the Met Office had to bet & that have lost shirts almost every one of the last 11 summers & 10 winters.
“Early indications are that winter temperatures are likely to be near or above average over much of Europe including the UK. For the UK, Winter 2009/10 is likely to be milder than last year.”
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/science/creating/monthsahead/seasonal/2009/winter.html
Any bets? Since the derth of sunspots, which correlates very well with weather, is continuing my forecast is for colder.
I think you meant “dearth”.
Good with the lunacy Craig, not so much with the spelling.
You have to admit, he plays to his strengths.
Well I, for one, have no doubt that the Met Office are conspiring with ZaNu Liebour in order to destroy the indigenous white race of England.
Equally I trust a crazed internet loon over climate change and know for a FACT that NASA’s global temperature index is a big lie – they are another Big Brother government organisation determined to cover up the TRUTH about child-rape and genocide.
Neil, if you’re going to post badly thought out, unintelligent dribble at least make sure that you spell and punctuate to a sufficient level that we are able to mock the content.
If I’ve managed to interpret your writings correctly then you are still thinking too short term and are a massive frigate bird’s fanny.
If I’m right.
If non man made climate change were the case, then it would follow that several thousand years ago it would have been very cold in England causing glaciers which would then melt spreading clay deposits acroos the country and altering the coastal landscape. A few million years prior to this it would of have to of been so warm that giant lizards bigger than double decker buses would of roamed around the countryside.
Since we all know that God only created the Earth 6000 years ago with Adam and Eve in garden of Eden I think we can all say that non manmade global warming does not exist and so I must buy less plastic carrier bags from Tesco’s to prevent the Earth from melting.
FACT PROVEN!
I’m back. Not that any of you noticed…grumble grumble. What’s happened? Two SYBers engaged to be married – ah bless! And Neil Craig with an amusing new nom de internet. But still missing the point of this august forum.
Is it only me seeing a certain tragic majesty in Nearly Craig trying to join in with the laughs at his expense (“Professor”)… and spelling it wrong?
Rest assured Ed. It’s not only you.
Yeah, and he missed the point in July as well!
(Metaphorical tumbleweed blows across SYB)
Don’t worry, I’ve already got me coat.
PS Clovis – I missed you (creep, creep)…
PPS Bagsy the Matron of honour role.
What is the point in life?
Ta Spesh. And I was going to do that July joke too, damn. Missed me chance to get me coat…
I like the idea of becoming a wind farmer.
Do I have to get a special type of tractor?
@ Mme La Spesh
I don’t know John Hughes personally, but to call him a SOB, especially after his untimely demise, seems a little unfair. Apparently.
Actually many scientists believe that the cyclical lows in sunspot activity do correspond to a reduction in temperature (just look up maunder minimum on wikipedia or something)
Anyway back to ripping the piss out of people, I had to giggle when MW asked who funded the Met Office. It#s the Government of course you stupid twat – did you assume it was Marks and Spencer or some other organisation that would stand to gain from wet weather? (it has to be said that if they had some vast network of weather control devices they would cash in on raincoats and brollies)
I thought the Met Office was funded by the Metropolitan Police, who used it when they were understaffed so they could predict bad weather and keep criminal indoors.
By the way, I be really grateful if you did’t feed the turd – it only gives him a sense of purpose and feeds his misguided sense of self importance. Why the fuck do you think he’s here? It’s because no-one else pays any attention to him, and he can’t work out that this is the wrong sort of attention.
Oh, blah filter. Where art thou?
Scrounger my apologies for writing something you find impossible to mock.
However if you & other branes had bothered to check you have found http://www.answers.com/topic/derth both spellings are accepted.
It seems your inability is because either (A) I am in all ways totally right, (B) you are a complete idiot or (C) both.
Out of politeness I will not state which is more likely.
John perhaps you could explain why you consider that a few million years ago when there were only giant lizards around it was warmer proves warming was man made. Were these giant lizards driving SUVs? Incidentally most scientists think it was many 10s of millions of years ago but what do they know compared to you.
Nearly,
The URL that you cite shows “derth” is an obsolete spelling. Are you now going to claim “setle” is also correct?
Seriously, go play in traffic.
I used to like Neil but now he’s getting silly with his complete de(a)rth of wit (how clever of you Neil to use an archaic spelling – are you ‘taking it back’? I for one will now henceforth spell silly as ‘sely’ in homage) and his complete inability to understand what this forum is about in any month. I am, akshully, a scientist, and this site, with its complete lack of seriousness, its in-jokes and general silliness (sorry ‘selynes’) is a welcome respite from ‘debate’ and ‘reasoned argument’ that I have to deal with all the frkn time. You DON’T GET IT Neil – go ‘debate’ on another site, please, just go away. Anyway – no more answers to your posts. SYBers, can we deny him the oxygen of publicity and getting on with shouting ‘bum’ and ‘willy’?
“Bum! WIlly!”
and also, in the interests of sexual equality…
“Fanny!”
BUM! WILLY!
@Mischling – SOB meant I was crying and you know it. I hope you got your coat… or at least played on your imaginary drum kit.
PS I can’t be the only person who suspects that a certain person thinks ‘speak you’re branes’ is all spelt correctly, can I? Or that he doesn’t get the irony of that name?
Bum.
ps: Blockquoting tool.
@Spesh
I suspect it now you point it owt.
(sic)
ps I declare HTML nerdery to be the new in-joke, and therefore acceptable.
To paraphrase the late Linda Smith: Can’t we just deny him the oxygen of oxygen?
Neil, I can’t tell you how long I’ve been waiting to see you type those words.
The thing is, a numpty who shelled out hundreds of pounds just so they could be electorally humiliated isn’t likely ever to wake up, smell the coffee, get the point, self examine, walk in others shoes or, more to the point, stop fucking posting here.
He obviously doesn’t even understand what climate change actually means, hasn’t spotted the icecaps melting, the forests shrinking and the deserts advancing.
Sadly his skin is even thicker than he is.
To be fair to the cunt, (which is a rather galling thing to have to be), I was always a little sceptical about MMGW and how big a role humanity has played in the changing climate. Then I did some research, challenged my own assumptions and have taken a more educated viewpoint. Then again, I’m not in anything like the same league on cuntdom as our un-learned friend.
If I’m right.
sed s/on/of/g
now *that’s* geeky.
sed q
Ah, but that simply doesn’t matter, does it? It’s a classic piece of misdirection by the “denialists”. The facts point to an ongoing and significant change in climate, one which will likely make our continued existence on the planet rather tough, leaving us with 3 options -
1 – ignore it wilfully and hope we’re wrong
2 – do what we can to reduce the effects
3 – get the fuck off this ball of rock and ruin another planet instead.
3 being largely out of the question, that leaves 1 & 2; the deniers take 1, and try to undermine 2 (which will require significant changes to the way we live) with misdirections like “it’s not our fault”.
Unfortunately, taking this option will only put off the issues in the short term, and leave us, like the apocryphal frog in a pan of boiling water, royally fucked in the longer term. Or, if not us, our children.
Anyway, I apologise for the contentfullness of this post, will take further outbursts somewhere else, and declare myself to be a veritable bat’s bollock. As opposed to a mole-rat’s minge.
p.s. I still think Neil Craig looks like a genital wart.
Climate change deniers have rapidly shifted viewpoints over the past ten years. The logic has run thusly:
1) It’s not happening. There’s no way it’s happening. You can’t prove it. No, shut up. I’VE GOT MY FINGERS IN MY EARS AND I CAN’T HEAR YOU.
2) Okay, it’s happening. But we didn’t do it. It’s not our fault. It’s the cows. The sheep. The volcanoes. Esther Rantzen. SHUT UP. I CAN’T HEAR YOU.
3) It’s not happening. There’s no way it’s happening. You can’t prove it. No, shut up. I’VE GOT MY FINGERS IN MY EARS AND I CAN’T HEAR YOU.
Etc.
In a few years, when they realise that they don’t actually understand the data, you can expect a shift back to 2), which will be disguised as 4).
Fuck the met office, what I want to know is who is behind the corporate time-dilation conspiracy?
Every weekend (and self-declared day-off) I measure my clocks progressing real time, taking on average 24 hours a day to complete one EU-style daily cycle (or two British half-day cycles).
But, as soon as I get into any kind of fucking corporate office where I am paid by the hour all the fucking clocks start to run slow! I feel as though my day’s work is done, my money is earned, and it’s time to go home, but the fucking clocks falsely claim it’s only 10:23. Govt conspiracy.
bah.
So a John Deere would be o.k. then?
Of course the Met Office opposes wind farms. If people are allowed to put up loads of turbines over on the side of the country the wind comes from then they will use up all the wind before it gets into the country. And then they wouldn’t have any wind to predict. Result: no more Met Office.
If I’m not mistaken.
“Climate change deniers have rapidly shifted viewpoints over the past ten years.”
Actually the final position is likely to be, `OK we caused it, but it’s too late to do anything about it so there’s no point in trying.’
As for NC, I suspect Asperger’s.
@crumhorn
I hadn’t got to the final position yet – I think much more denial will be involved. At any rate, I disagree, albeit politely. The final position is likely to be “Where the fuck did all this water come from? And why is it so fucking hot?”
As for NC, I suspect Asperger’s is insulting to people with Asperger’s. I mean, by all reports they actually know about their specialist subject. NC is just a cunt.
“can we deny him the oxygen of publicity and getting on with shouting ‘bum’ and ‘willy’?”
Everybody should have a hobby.
“he obviously hasn’t spotted the icecaps melting, the forests shrinking and the deserts advancing”
Nope bum willy
What “contentfullness” Mr Poo-Bum-Willy?
Chris it appears you can’t hear anything I have written (?) or at least have made no attempt whatsoever to answer any of it. Go back to what you were doing before.
Sorry, just popped out for a bit, but I’m back in now.
john should be muffled now.
<crevice> What makes you think we ever stopped? </crevice>
`The final position is likely to be “Where the fuck did all this water come from? And why is it so fucking hot?”’
Absolutely, and I agree there’re many more ingenious levels of denial to be explored by those so persuaded.
As for Asperger’s, I once scored 29 out of the 30 positive answers required to win the coconut on a `Do you have Asperger’s?’ website, so I don’t know. It does sound like one of those Daily Mail tickbox things (Is Your Cat Gay?), but wasn’t.
Self-diagnosis is no diagnosis. That goes doubly so for Asperger’s, which is the excuse du jour for awkward teenagers not to have to learn social skills.
Is Cassandra by any chance a regular at Harry’s Place?
Poo!
Willy!
Penguils swimming down the canals of what used to be Birmingham New Street!
Bum!
Except that one time, remember? When your bizarre prejudices made you think that:
a) This site uses deleted BBC content (“it is full of material removed from the net 7 only available to people with access to BBC records should be a bit of a giveaway to even the most retarded“)
b) Therefore I must work for the BBC
And then everyone pointed out your mistakes to you for days and days and days and you blustered on and refused to listen? And then the weight of evidence became overpowering and so you had pretend you’d never said it (“I never claimed full of“), even though it was written there in black and white? And how you STILL refuse to admit that I don’t work for the BBC, even though you’ve had to disown all your (completely imaginary) “evidence”? And then you started blocking any comments that reminded you of all this? No?
Do you still think I work for the BBC, Neil?
Normal usage would suggest I meant in all ways on this thread rather than a claim to more infalibility than the Pope (though actually …). Nonetheless I am pleased to see you acknowledge that, within lesser limits, I am always correct.
Nelson I acknowledge I do not know where you are employed. I would still be rather surprised if nobody on here turned out to be a Beeboid, particularly with the amount of faith almost everybody here expresses in their improbable propaganda & political correctness generally, but acknowledge I have no firm evidence either way.
Deny him the oxygen of oxygen.
Wow, I just posted the above, and got a “500 server error”, which after a reload sent me to the main page of this site. FYI.
And that one went in as normal.
Wow, Nelson, do you work for the BBC? Awesome!
If you re-read Nelson’s comment you will find that he did not admit to Craig being correct at all, he merely pointed out one instance in which he was wrong. By doing so he invalidated options a) and c) leaving the only option Craig thinks there is as b) I’m a complete idiot.
I would like to point out to Neil that there are damn near limitless reasons why I might have been unable to understand what he was typing, several of which include “what he typed was poorly worded bullshit”.
Rant over, back to the business of SYBing: Bum! Wanky Shit Demon!
If I’ve made any gramatical balls-ups similar to those of Craig then this is a premptive ‘Fucksox!@ for when I realise.
*’Fucksox!’
Shit
Live by the smartassery…
To be fair, I don’t think this was voluntary denial. I’m sure a blood vessel or two popped in his brain in order that he should forget this. There was probably a fair amount of existential dread and razors in the bathtub moments before his brain came up with the life-saving “deny everything to your consciousness” argument.
But at least there’s the possibility that in that, he’s had a bath.
The worst part of all this is that NC actually sees himself as some kind of modern day Galileo. You can’t tell him he’s wrong, because centuries from now people will say the name “Neil Craig” with reverence and awe.
So fuck you.
I would be really interested in somebody being able to tell me why I am wrong on some point, so long as they can give intelligent factual reasons, indeed I have repeatedly asked you to do so.
Regretably virtually everybody here seems to have managed nothing better than “fuck you” which doesn’t really count as intelligent disputation.
Nearly,
I will answer your apparently serious question. I know in advance that you will reject it, and yet I am a sucker for people asking for pointers.
Your analytical process appears to start from believing that you are right, then cherry-picking “facts” from any source, no matter how laughable, that appears to “support” your ideas. This leads you to ridiculous ideas, and showing your cherry-picked “facts” only attracts more ridicule. You will have noticed this from the reactions on here. That is why it happens.
Instead, the analytical process used by the intellectually successful is this: to start from a position of skepticism, and only to accept evidence on a given point if it is from a reputable source. Yes, the BBC is a reputable source, even if they make occasional mistakes. Your claims (and the claims of your chums on “Biased BBC”) of BBC bias are wrong. At the very least, you haven’t approached the problem of establishing BBC bias in a credible way, as described by this note.
The other problem is that you use “logic” that is actually fallacious. Many of the apparent “logic” you have used in these discussions conforms to one or more of the well-known fallacies, especially the ad hominem fallacy, and the strawman fallacy. Please read the Wikipedia page on fallacies, and especially read the pages on the two I just mentioned.
Fundamentally, Nearly, I believe that everyone who tries can improve. If you approach this topic with humility, and take on board the idea that you don’t have all the answers, and that others have some answers, and that with the right process you can start to figure out some answers correctly, then there will be hope.
Oh, and here is irony: Nearly has raved over and over how the BBC has been an active party to Kosovan kidnapping and blah blah blah of Serbians. How odd then, that the BBC website has an article entitled “Kosovo civilian abuses revealed”, dated 9 April 2009. This shows a few things:
1. It appears that such abuses apparently did happen, even though Nearly said they did (sic – think about it).
2. It was reported on the BBC, despite Nearly’s claims that it was covered up by the BBC.
3. Nearly didn’t actually check the BBC (or Google).
You see, Nearly, the fact is that nearly (ha!) everyone knows the BBC is a credible source. Citing it will score you credibility points, EVEN IF you yourself don’t believe the BBC is credible.
I’ll just go a bit further on the topic of picking sources.
If we imagine that to make a coherent argument, we have three objectives, each depending on the previous:
1. To establish our own credibility.
2. To establish the credibility of our facts and logical steps.
3. To persuade our audience of the truth of the point we’re making.
Any fule can see that achieving any or all of these will be instantly defeated if we use fallacious logic, or cite unreliable sources – and the reliability of the source (or the integrity of the logic) IS DECIDED BY THE AUDIENCE, NOT THE PERSUADER. That last, capitalised, bit, is very important.
@Ed aka Nearly Craig
Very well reasoned and argued, well done. However, I have no doubt Nearly will dive into your veritable sea of argument and emerge with a tiny little flapping fish in his mouth which he will claim discredits the whole point of everything you’ve said.
When he claimed the BBC had not reported David Owen’s defence of Milosevic as not being racist, I posted a link on his blog (anonymously since he’d started rejecting all posts submitted under my name) to that very story and his counter-argument was something like “yes, but you don’t REMEMBER it, do you?”
(Incidentally, Neil, that’s an example of where you were WRONG, but I don’t expect for a minute you’ll accept it.)
There’s really no sense in trying to have a reasoned debate with someone like him – to Neil, debate is not about reaching a truth, it’s about scoring points.
Quite sad, really, but I’ve gone beyond feeling any sympathy for him. Now I just think he’s a tosser.
@My Foot Hurts
The way I see it, this is the first time he’s even approximated genuinely asking a question of this nature. I am holding my hand out to him, this one time.
Will he take the red pill, or the blue pill?
“Chris it appears you can’t hear anything I have written (?) or at least have made no attempt whatsoever to answer any of it. Go back to what you were doing before.”
**********
Why does this scabby fuckrash think that his witless bum-drool requires anyone to answer it?
Let’s talk about the Dunning-Kruger effect, because it’s fascinating.
But how did Dunning and Kruger identify this effect?
Hm, who do we know who’s humourless, bad at formulating sentences and wouldn’t know logic if it crapped in his moustache and forced it up his nose, yet believes himself to be a genius wit, professor of words and stuff, and peer to Zeno himself in the art of logic?
I made the mistake of engaging, just once, and now he thinks I actually give a shit.
If you just ignore him, or talk about him rather than to him, he’ll get the message soon enough.
Idiots like Craig are all over the show. The only difference is that Craig is actually a prime example of it. It’s like doing a search for “genital warts” on Google Images. What you get back is the very extreme, because people don’t tend to take pictures of mild cases.
Mild cases are hard to find. Craig is the crackpot equivalent of an extreme case of knob warts.