The following text is about private organ transplants:
Should private transplants be banned?
The government will ban all private transplants of organs from dead British donors to stop foreign patients paying for scarce organs needed within the NHS. Do you agree with the decision?
Is the government:
- a) banning them
- b) in favour of them
- c) personally carrying them out?
As with everything this Labour government views everything as a cash cow, even our bodies after death.
My donor card has been cut up this morning.
Steve Wright
I’d be banging my head on the desk right now if I didn’t suspect that Steve Wright cuts up a donor card for every HYS debate.
I have no problem with my organs going to the person in greatest need – whether there are a UK citizen or not. If the Government implements a racist allocation policy then I will get rid of the donor card. I do agree that no-one should jump the queue by paying, but this should apply regardless of where they are from.
Peter O’Connell, Croydon
I like this comment. I like to picture the smirk spreading across Peter O’Connell’s face, as he presses ‘submit’, thinking “I’m so different from the rest of the rabble here. So much more liberal. So much more enlightened. So much more…literate”.
About time moves were made to stop non-nationals coming to the UK and getting whatever they can at the expense of a UK tax-paying citizen.
[BostinJack]
I heard Somalis are getting THREE lungs EACH just for turning up and then using them to inhale benefits.
No I don’t see the problem in private transplants. I do see a problem in foreign patients having them.
Guy Flowers, Sheffield, United Kingdom
It’s ok if they bring their own organs in with them though, right? If they pay like a kidney in import duty or something.
I have may friends abroad who use this website as a language learning exercise.
The amount of xenophobia displayed in this (and other threads) makes me despair.
How do decent people, eager to learn about British culture, feel?
Gala
This could be the most spine-chilling thing I’ve ever read on Have Your Say.
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‘I have may friends abroad who use this website as a language learning exercise.
The amount of xenophobia displayed in this (and other threads) makes me despair.
How do decent people, eager to learn about British culture, feel?’
Despair away, but if wasn’t for the Xenophobia, SYB would not exist and offer such a great forum to combat such despair-someone has to point out twatbasketry, tell your friends to drop by here, they would learn a lot more about British culture.
Woohoo- first, but a fairly crap comment, I know.
This explains why so many immigrants have piss-poor English language skills.
“Woohoo- first, but a fairly crap comment, I know.”
and not first. What a massive letdown.
No, he won. Same person. Get back to HYS.
if gala wanted to learn english then why would she go to a forum? surely google translate would be better. And did steve wright actually read the article or did he just see the words goverment, organs and money and draw his own conclusions?
got bored and decided to check out the thread, found some more tit monkeys
Forrins coming over here to harvest our words, culture and xenophobic rants, paid for by my tv licence. End this madness now!
To be fair I think Gala’s mates are better off reading HYS all day in preparation for life in Britain. If we bought them all a box set of Last of the Summer Wine they’d be slightly taken aback once they actually arrived here.
I think we’re missing the point. Should British muslims be allowed to have organs donated by whites?
@alt-f4
Of course they shouldn’t. Alco-pop sodden livers probably don’t fit in with their halal ways. Introducing Sharia law in my street, why don’t they just go black home?
No, but the real point is that “immigration” and its synonyms appear to have serious and immediate health implications.
The people have clearly lost the ability to read after seeing that word, and can only offer an opinion. I’ve seen something similar in relation to “human rights” and “global warming”.
Either that, or they’re a bunch of pricks who never bother to read anything, and then scroll down as fast as possible so they can wank out an opinion before anyone else can get their own, similarly formed, equally retarded brain farts out.
tearing up donor cards is not enough!!one!!!1111!!! i am going to open myself up and destroy my internal organs, i am going to liquidise my liver yeah in a blender right hah then when liebour come to harvest me they will get a nasty surprise
I consent to my organs being donated to DRUG ADDICTS [ ] DRINKERS [ ] JURY MEMBERS [ ] SOLDIERS [x] OTHER PERSONS [ ] who need REAL [x] IMAGINARY [ ] help with MILD [ ] MODERATE [ ] LIFE-THREATENING [ ] HORRIC [x] injuries.
Passport Officer at Heathrow: “Can I see your passport please, sir?”
New Arrivee, Prabindra Mukhagee: “Yes of course, so-called officer, I bet you’ll let me just stroll right in, won’t you, you liberal do-gooder? I could be a terrorist you know. The taxes I fully intend to pay in the future are being squandered by a witless government on mandarins like you, while people like me flood into the country and take decent peoples’ homes. You should be ashamed, do you hear? ASHAMED.”
Passport Officer at Heathrow: “Uh-huh. Is your visit for business or pleasure, Mr Mukhagee?”
Prabindra Mukagee: “Benefits and health tourism. Huh, bloody typical of people like me, isn’t it? I’m just amazed you haven’t rolled out a red carpet and got down on your knees and kissed my Hindu butt in the name of Tsar Gordon. FACT!”
I wonder how many of these “outraged citizens” ARE actually donors and fully paid up donor card carriers and how many just want to shake their fists at Johnny Foriegner. Lets face it, these are the kind of cunts who carry a donor card around so that they can pretend to be caring to the ladies. When it comes to the crunch even the idea of giving blood will be too much for them
“Most spine chilling thing” – not even close.
What a sheltered life you lead. Our government’s police kidnapping innocent people & cutting them up while alive is more “spine chilling” even if they are
Untermensch.
http://a-place-to-stand.blogspot.com/2008/04/organlegging-under-nato-rule.html
think any of these cunts would turn down a forrin body bit if they were in trouble and really needed it?
HYS is excellent for non-native speakers. You select an HYS post at random and have to re-write it in coherent English.
Nurse! … NURSE!? Mr Craig is out of bed again. Has he been given his sedatives today? Could you see to it please or he’ll be recreating the battle for Mostvar in the Day Room again. Thanks.
The rather large number of people on HYS claiming to have cut up their donor cards in case a foreigner gets served ahead of a true Brit are attaining horrendous new levels of racism. Presumably they’ve realised that by refusing to donate AT ALL no-one will get their organs…so they are saying that they would rather not save a life at all than save the life of a forrin…
I know I shouldn’t be surprised, but still…
Professor Craig
Did you link to an article you yourself authored as proof of your point?
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Silly cunt.
The World
I for one celebrate the cutting up of donor cards by the HYS unintellegenzia – it makes the likelihood of receiving an organ from those cunts so much smaller.
Just imagine you have a liver transplant and next thing you know your personality becomes subtly altered – you start nodding in agreement with Daily Mail articles, feel the need to rant against forruns, start to believe everything is a nuliarbore plot and then feel compelled to use RAndom CaPitals every time you post – quel cauchemar.
Is “Professor Craig” a Professor in the Professor Yaffle sense ?
Or the Paul McKenna PhD sense – i.e. send a postal order for ten shillings and three Frosties box tops and get a PhD ?
Or is he a dick who loves his fake sense of importance ?
I think we should be told!
Bit of an aside but I thought some of the regulars on here might enjoy this particular site. It’s a Daily Mail-o-matic headline generator. I reckon that between that and the Twat-o-tron they could soon put a large portion of the right wing press out of business.
I would love, and I mean love, to see the Nearly-only blah filter suggested by someone a while ago (Spesh?). I think that would be the best thing that could ever happen in the history of the universe.
Well, the second-best. The best would be a camera showing his face when he figured out what was happening.
I offer my technical magic skills to make the blah-filter happen if it would help.
You can tell he sells comicbooks, can’t you?
yeah, i saw this documentary about this once, made by this Montgomery Python fellow. terrifying stuff, they pinned this poor defenceless woman down, and ripped out her liver.
they sang before they did it too, i think. that was also scary.
Awesome. As a reward, you win an item of your own choosing from the vending machine for wasting work’s time in such a fabulous way. If your company does not possess a vending machine, you may nip over the road to Costas for a Rocky Road bar.
dear neil,
quoting from http://www.slobadon-milosevic.com makes that about as reliable a source of FACT as tales of derring-do from http://www.unclejoestalinneverdonenothingwronganditwasallthefaultofthewest.com
you tit
if i’m right
Topsy’s back!!!!
YAHOOOOOOO!
Guys, no matter how insanse you think Neil’s posts are, let’s give the guy some credit – he doesn’t slag people off anymore like he used to and he does genuinely seem to get into the spirit of things on a lot of threads.
If we insult and censor those with different views to our own, are we really any better than the HYSers?
I mean mocking stupidity is one thing, but let’s be fair, Neil is a guest here and I’ve grown quite attached to him (N.B. not in a gay way, I don’t work for the BBC like the rest of you).
Much sport to be had over on the Baby P thread, where they’re discussing whether it was right to name the parents. Here’s another example of someone not reading the story before engaging their righteous indignation..
Having stayed at a hotel in Cardiff, I can definitely see where Rhys is coming from…
Steve Wright is an absolute goldmine of fuckwittery:
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/profile.jspa?userID=14699182&isComplaints=false&start=0&edition=1&ttl=20090811125054&#paginator
His appalling English alone qualifies him for his own thread. Take this example of crimes against the apostrophe:
He can’t even get methinks right, if I’m right.
@saprotrophic eubacteria
It’s how anyone can think a government that gives £500bn to failed banks and privatises public services left, right and centre is socialist that gets me.
That and the way he doesn’t know ‘tenet’ from ‘tenant’.
So, 631 furriners in 10 years got trusty English (not British) organs, out of about 35,000 transplants.
2%.
FFS, it’s not as if you just pop a liver out of a cadaver and stick it the next Scotsman in the queue – most bodies are very picky about having strange flesh stuck in them.
What do these fuckwits want to do? Fry the stuff that can’t be used?
Where can I sign up for my free overdose?
Yeah, I suggested a selective Blah Filter. Seeing as Nelson can get the mobile phone number and so on of every person in the world through their IP address, surely it can’t be too hard to do compooter magik to mean that all our comments are seen but N C’s (and other twatbasket incomers*) are blahed out. The webcam idea to enable us to see their reactions is genius. They’ll keep trying and trying and getting angrier and angrier, just like lab animals that get an electric shock when they try to get a treat but keep going after the treats regardless.
BTW, so now the government is kidnapping people and butchering them whilst they’re still alive, are they (for what reason, I’d like to know – this is where mentals’ ideas fall down; they never ask themselves WHY the people they’re paranoid would do the crazy things they accuse them of… oh yeah, it’s cos they’re mental. Durr, Speshy!)? It’s almost enough to make you feel sorry for Keil Nraig – when I was in my teens I once got so drunk that I watched Repo Man on video and thought it was really happening: life must be like that 24-7 for him.
Note: I said ‘almost’.
Why the fuck would immygrunts want to come here to get our organs anyway? Britain (not just England) is a nation of lazy, binge-drinking porkers with disastrous levels of shit-lifestyle-induced illness. As so many of them are yer typical thick racist cunts, I wonder if their lifestyles are actually a sublime form of life-as-art protest ensuring that they are no use to anyone, foreign or otherwise, alive or dead (I’m feeling remarkably hateful today).
*Oh shit, I’ve just turned into an online Farmer Palmer.
Yes. The Craig Monster does not have ‘differing views’, he is a rich seam of cheesy bollocks, created by God, and given to SYBers in perpetuity.
Viz: here are the opening words to his blog. They are an explanation for The 9% Growth Party’s 81 votes in the 2007 elections (an all-time record low)…
He bombed in record style and *truly believes* he is the catalyst for the second Scottish enlightenment.
Idiocy has been patiently tolerated for far too long in our ‘PC society’. It is time we crowed and pointed and fell about laughing at numbnuts. SYB is a valuable public service and Neil Craig is a massive bellend.
Yes please, with some lima beans, and nice chianti to wash it all down with.
(Sorry, couldn’t resist.)
Name them? Absolutely. It’s inherent to the British Criminal Justice system to face an open trial for crimes (however it’s also right that their identities were protected during the case so as to make it as fair as possible). As for giving them new identities – absolutely. Once they have served their sentence they have a right to carry out their lives in peace and safety..if there is a risk to them, they should be protected. Vigilantism undermines justice and should be stopped at all costs.
Carl, London
Every now and again, a post like this appears that makes me think “Maybe HYS isn’t populated solely by cunts”.
…
Name them all and no protection after they leave prison. That is part of their punishment – to forever have to worry that the mob may call on them. While I don’t condone any action by private citizens I do have to say it’s just one of the hazards if you commit a crime like this.
We should also do away with the nonsense of “cannot be named for legal reasons” when those reasons are minors commiting adult crimes.
John Byng
then I read posts by lynch mob enthusiast John Byng
Blah Blah Blah censorship Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Bit Special AKA La Spesh Blah Blah Blah wanker Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Neil Craig Blah Blah Blah next Prime Minister Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Nelson Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Twats!Blah Blah Blah BNP Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah BlahBlah Nick Griffin Blah Blah Blah immigrants Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah David Icke Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah HYS.
Yay,Topsy’s back and Neilly, excellent. We should accept Neil into the fold as he isn’t actually that bad-just a bit tapped at times.Now Topsy is a different matter-Ubertwatbasket.
Now I really must get on with some work, I’ve got 2 kidney’s a lung and a liver to harvest for Mr Kodogo from Somalia who is paying with Nigerian lottery funds.
@Funny Peculiar
I agree that NC is batshit insane (and that quote is tremendous) but I do find that he makes real attempts to engage with the twatbasketry-bashing from time-to-time also, if I’m right.
@La Spesh
If people are dead set on returning a sort of smart blah-filter, why not go one better and replace the text with random Twat-o-tron comments instead?
Predictably, the Baby P killer name thread reads like two or three of the same posts being repeated over and over, many of whom seem to be under the impression that the guilty parties are being treated to tea with the Queen at the end of their sentences.
Yes please, with some lima beans, and nice chianti to wash it all down with.
(Sorry, couldn’t resist.)
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Actually it was fava beans with the tax inspector. You have lima beans with Avon ladies.
Yeah, the “everyone gets a prize” society is over. The 1980s were poisoned by dipshits telling people like NC that it was okay to be stupid, or a complete fucking failure, not realising that they were only kids and they took that seriously.
Now look. We have Neil Craig and HYS. Fucking PC monsters.
Fuck’s sake.
You’re wrong. He’s just a cunt. What kind of cunt sticks around somewhere everyone is calling him a stupid cunt?
Neil Craig, that’s what kind of cunt.
Tragic, but he gets no attention elsewhere, so like one of the really rancid slags at school, he just likes to get someone to pay some attention to him, even if that attention is very very inappropriate.
Aw come on chaps, Neil has not been that bad of recent and has tried to join in, give the man a break,with more exposure to SYB we may change him.
On another tack though, that thread on HYS at the moment is pure quality-the lynch mob has returned. However I do wonder if any of these fuckmonkeys ever committed a crime, would they expect to go to a different prison as they are obviously not chav scum and deserve to keep their anonymity as it was a lapse in their previously crime free middle England life,oh and no forrins, gays or immugrunts in their either, English prisons for English people, unless they are intellectually subnormal chav’s.
@Chris-’so like one of the really rancid slags at school, he just likes to get someone to pay some attention to him, even if that attention is very very inappropriate.’
nice analogy, ours at school used to get the smokes in just to join the gang, never had to buy one whilst at school when he was around.
Prison’s like a holiday camp anyway.
Why, for Christmas, I plan to come back and do some twocing for a stay at Her Majesty’s pleasure.
…or should I say, my pleasure! Three to a cell and shitting in a bucket. Sounds like a holiday to me.
Much cheaper than a holiday camp.
Apologies. Pregnancy brain is kicking in. Mmm… brains…
Before people start showing too much tolerance for The Craig Monster, let it be known that he’s a semi-regular on Biased BBC.
5 minutes there should show the sort of company he keeps.
@That Bloke in the Corner
I was actually thinking of the kind of slags where the encounter ended with a phrase like “Are we going out now?”
But your way works too.
“No, he won. Same person. Get back to HYS.” Thanks for the direction Chris but I get my HYS ‘fix’ right here. Tried trawling through it myself once or twice but had to stop when blood started running from my ears.
I would have to take exception with ‘he won’. Not having been ‘down with the cats’ for quite a number of years and not being 100% vis-a-vis the ‘first post’ craze, is this not usually the content of the first post as apposed to a comment on the first post. Sorry about the pedantry.
@Cheb – I’m liking your thinking re: the smart-twatotron…
I thought Beano disallowing the word Snigger was political correctness gone mad, the reason being racist schoolkids were crossing out the S. The same thing happened, this time in the case of Dandy, when Desperate Dan had to swap his cow pies for veggie bean pie as not to offend Hindus. And Beryl the Peril wearing a hijab and going under the name Beryl the Burkha was, I thought, ridiculous. We should start a campaign or something
Joyston, unlike you, he actually made an appropriate comment as his first post.
OH, BURN!
@Nearly
That’s the most blatent butchering of a quote to segway to random crap I’ve ever seen
Well since the last HYS thread I looked at.
It’s a shame none of the culprits were called John Byng – that could have led to some entertaining cases of mistaken identity.
@Joystons Choice,@Ed aka Nearly Craig, I did throw a bit of a strop earlier but I am over it now, so please save your twatbaiting skills for HYS,and as to the comment-it was appropriate but crap but then it was early and there was a lack of coffee.
In glorious modern Britain, Brown, Harman, The A. B. of C, Obama etc can’t open their mouths without half the country automatically rolling their eyes and saying, “homigod, you are, like, sooooo thick, yeah? Running the country’s probably a piece of piss, you MORON! Haven’t you ever heard of Richard Littlejohn and Jeremy Clarkson. GOD, I HATE YOU!”
A massive army of turd-puking halfwits has blundered into the centre of the public arena and turned it into a hate-filled zoo. Uneducted pricks like Craig, Turvy and Griffin wave their hairy arses about farting so much noisy toxic gas that the dim-witted ovine public is incapable of distinguishing between their raving idiocy and long-held common sense.
Fuck Craig! Fuck him to hell with a poker rammed up his arse. He’s a BNP supporter who worships Sarah Palin, dismisses climate change, denies Srebrenica and accuses anyone who disagrees with him of being a nazi-sympathiser. Fuck Him and his stupid low-brow over-confidence, spouting his infantile conspiracy shite as though it were priceless wisdom. Fuck him and all those like him who speak but won’t listen. Fuck all those who claim it as their ‘right’ for their hysterical, ignorant, retarded views to be given respect and a patient hearing.
People like him need to be booted right to the edge of society with howls of laughter ringing in his ears.
Ban everyone who does not have the same worldview as Funny peculier. What’s worse, a raving mad nazi or a raving mad liberal?
If the is a shortage of organs, why do we not go to the killing fields of Afganistan and Iraq?
After the Bush/Blair oil wars there are many dead innocent bodies lieing around. Many mushed and damaged by £100,000 a shot missiles but the will be some useful parts left over.
A Human scrapyard. And as they dont drink alcohol, the livers and kidneys will be in good nick, saving the need for health labels on alchopops. everyones a winner.
Innit!
funny peculiar
Actually…point taken. Fuck the fucking fuckers.
A raving mad Nazi, John. And did I say ‘ban’? Did I say anything about my views being the only acceptable ones?… outspoken moronic views should not be tolerated as much as they currently are, that’s all. And Neil dipshit Craig is as moronic and outspoken as you can get and he should be humilitaed every time he tries to spread his madness-dressed-up-as-reason.
I was reminded of this by today’s BoingBoing post citing a commenter who said
‘People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless.’
As a Filthy Liberal I obviously demand that my organs only be donated to people with more than a 50% probability of jihadding them to pieces within six months.
I worry that Gala has inspired HYS regulars to crank up the xenophobia in order to deter forrins from coming near this sceptred isle. But then given that the current levels are already pretty awe-inspiring there’s a fair chance that a couple of them would explode in the process.
“Although the size of the average HYSer brain makes them unsuitable for the provision of sustenance except through the consumption of very large numbers, the discerning cannibal may find them prepared as an amuse-bouche at several Michelin starred fine dining establishments.” (Larousse)
“racist allocation policy”
Organs are racist?
And speaking of Clarkson (seguing to random crap myself), all, it seems, is not entirely sweetness and light amongst the assorted twatbasketry. Quoth Peter Hitchens.
Lets’s just consider this for a moment, Peter Hitchens, the climate change denier; the anti-vaccination scare-monger who’s done so much to ensure children get measles; the man who thinks Thatcher was a bit of a leftie, that Peter Hitchens is condemning Clarkson for talking ‘thoughtless rubbish’. Well I guess you just have to stand back in awe of the the monumentally (with emphasis on the ‘mentally’) pompous lack of any shred of self-awareness. He is truly the cunt of all cunts.
If you can stomach yourselves to scroll through the front page of his blog, you’ll find that kidnap-and-dissection-by-NATO-soldiers is a subject to which he keeps returning. Next to digging tunnels under Scotland and not understanding the science of climate change, it seems to be his biggest obsession.
I am going WAY off topic here, but I am hopped up on caffeine and want to share this with you all: go on google earth, zoom over to Guam and there, just south west of it, in the sea, is a huge spectral bell end! Childish yes, but go ahead, do it – it’ll cheer you all up no end I’m sure.
As a minor I fall under this protection. However I solemnly swear that if I commit any crime I will post my name and address on HYS and allow the British public to flog my young and feeble body.
I don’t actually want an organ from Steve Wright. It would probably instill in me a strange desire to kill prostitutes.
@Clovis Sangrail, excellent, it really does look like a ghostly nob,teehee
“yes I think it is important they are named and shamed especialy in there local community in my opinion the best deterant for criminals is the embarassment in there local community they should have it tattooed on there forehead.”
john charlson, Anderton,
And people like john charlson (who doesn’t even dignify him self by capitalising his name as he obviously thinks he is a no mark) should have cunt tattooed on his head, as a visual warning to us gay/lesbian Nuliabore liberal BBC workers. These people should not be conversed with for they are twatbaskets of the highest order.
TYF? What are you doing on here – it’s way past your bedtime!
Fucksocks, meant to change name to ‘Madame La Spesh’!
As a Filthy Libbrul like Mim, I too have stipulations as to who can receive my organs and that’s why I am stating on my card that only the mother of Baby P, her boyfriend and his brother/the lodger can have mine. Thank god they’ve now been named so they won’t miss out!
PS Surely there’s a HYS thread on THAT particular topic that’ll be pure gold? Hmmm, must head there right now…
@ Madame La Spesh
Girl after my own heart
If that Lecter bloke cannibalised a tax inspector, where’s my fucking liver gone?
And mine…
Ladies, you too ??
Let’s keep them in line eh ?
Tho if we talk Topsy, Neil and others – any punishment wil be purely punitive and NOT fun!
Now I’m off to bed as I am verrry verrrrrry drunk!!!
p.s. I miss Gobbler!! Where he ?
@Dominatrix Ceannair & (Whiplash) Millie – yes, Gobbler’s absence is v. worrying; we need him/her for visitors with more, shall we say, ‘specialised’ tastes/needs. There’s also a place for Neil Craig, 1984RFR, Topsy et all to work at Spank Your Branes (working title) – tell me, have you seen the film ‘Irina Palm’…
@john adair
Well – and this is just right off the top of my head, so correct me if I’m wrong – there hasn’t ever been a pissed off liberal responsible for a genocide.
So I’ll say “Nazi”.
I do. Sooner them than HYSers. I’m tempted to scribble “for the benefit of druggies and alkies only” on my card just to piss off the moralistic cunts who moan about people who’ve Brought It On Themselves getting treatment.
And Neil Craig can fuck off as well.
Depends what you mean by liberal/socialist. The Nazi party was “socialist”. Genocide is frequently done by regimes which claim to be left-of-centre.
When does a political party stop being socialist or liberal? Is it when they are elected? Or is it when you stop agreeing with them?
Except no-one said socialist. So your little white blurt was a little pointless.
Genocide is often committed by a wide range of people who use a wide range of interpretations of a wide range of texts. But no-one ever chased a religion to the ovens waving Mill or Tocqueville at them.
“Right, get in the fucking oven, bignose. This book says that I have to kill you to ensure our survival… oh, wait, no harm to others? Fuck it, pass me that copy of Sein und Zeit.”
@ Madame Le Spesh, Dominatrix Ceannair and Whiplash Millie
Spank Your Branes sounds great – can I play? I can bring my own equipment, including a special butt-plug encrusted with broken glass and hepatitis for the purely punitive cases.
I haven’t seen Irina Palm, but I have seen Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS – does that count?
Madame La Spesh, rather. Apologies for masculinising you there.
@ Chris
Except someone did say socialist. Not you, admittedly, but no-one said it was you.
I was responding to both the posts I quoted. That’s why I quoted them. It seems to me that people like to pick a broad label that they reckon applies to them – like liberal – and then behave as though nobody who disagrees with them on any particular single issude can possibly also be, in this example, liberal like them.
Or to put it another way, all liberals are nazi-excusing, genocide-supporting baby killers. If I’m right.
HYS Thread: Should the US base troops in Colombia?
*Frankie Howard’s voice* Sprouts?… Winds of war?… Hmmm?… There’s a little joke begging to be told, surely? No? Oh well, please yourself.
Take this moronic fucking shitty fallacy to the BNP propaganda department and fucking leave it there! The Nazi’s were [surprise sur-fucking-prise] fascists. Not Socialists.
If, to gain political advantage, Osama Bin Laden re-named Al Qeada as ‘The Christian Coffee Morning Mothers and Toddlers Group’, would that mean they cease to be Islamic Extremists??? Besides anything else, they were ‘National Socialists’, not Socialists. And the term ‘National Socialists’ is as cock-eyed and spurious as Bush’s ‘Illegal Combatants’.
Anyone who suggests the Nazis weren’t fascist is simply helping the Neo-Fascists with their rehabilitation in the public conciousness. Claiming they were socialists is fucking moronic. They had an active pan-european genocidal policy of exterminating ‘lesser’ races and ‘undesirables’ ffs… not very fucking SOCIAL!!!
Except VELEZ is the leader of Colombia.
Oh well.
Only if you are from the Norman Tebbit school of political theory. Anyone who knows anything about political theory and European history knows that the whole point of Nazism was to provide an anti-communist and anti-socialist alternative to the liberal democracy; liberal democracy being perceived at that time as a non-viable failure in most European countries, whilst socialism was still a shiny, new and attractive alternative.
I believe they’re referring to Hugo Chavez, president of Venezuela. You know, the left-leaning, democratically elected leader who, when a US-backed coup attempted to topple him purely for being a bit of a lefty, was restored to power due to popular pressure from the Venezuelans themselves.
And the Venezuelans “deserve better.” Like a nice, Pinochet-esque leader that the West pick for them. Of course.
Whoever the top man in Columbia is, he probably bought dangerous stuff from the Russians as the Americans wouldn’t sell him what he wanted to protect his country from them. Makes sense to me.
The Soviet Union were “socialist” were they not? For the people and with the people. They just made the mistake of knocking off a few million in Stalin’s “Great Terror”. Erm…sounds remarkably like fascism to me. Give anyone any label you want – it’s what they do that defines them.
People refer to the President of Colombia, Álvaro Uribe Vélez, as Mr Uribe. It’s not a middle name, Vélez is his mother’s surname, and that’s how Spanish speakers name themselves. The Portuguese do similar.
And yes, the Chavez is the preznit of Venezuela, who is a genuine, sabre-rattling, war-threatening, borderline-totalitarian, oil-revenue-squandering Latin American dictator. Look at how he keeps moving armoured divisions to the border with Colombia over a raid on a terrorist camp (Mar 2008), and raving about the US attacking from bases in Colombia with their… 800 troops (the legal maximum, though there are only 250 at present).
You’re welcome.
Colombia (not Columbia) has vast amounts of US kit. It’s the Venezuelan govt that’s buying oodles of Russian kit. Oh, and they still have some Swedish gear, including some AT4 rockets that mysteriously turned up in a FARC base.
Oh, and the Venezuelans are also upset about the Nazi genocide organ-traffickers from Colombia. I couldn’t find a reference for that, but it’s definitely true.
Ain’t it great when the non-fighting neutral countries have AT4 Rockets – whatever they are, although they sound pretty dangerous to me. If they are at it as well we’ve all got no chance when it really kicks off.
This thread seems to have gone a long way from organ transplants which was much more interesting than AT4 rockets. To me anyway.
@Ed aka NC
Well, you can look upon Venezuela as being to FARC in Colombia as Ireland was to the IRA in Northern Ireland.
Although there are limits set by Congress as to the number of American troops allowed in Colombia, remember than the bulk of US aid to Colombia goes on military spending, even though the stated intention of Plan Colombia and its descendants was to provide farming aid to move the staple crop of rural Colombians from coca to food crops.
American troops in Colombia tend to be special forces acting as advisers but who in fact take part in active combat operations. They have been found to be in collusion with AUC and the Colombian government in both drug dealing and the murder of civilians in FARC controlled areas.
In addition, in order to circumvent those restrictions placed on official involvement in Colombian affairs, it’s not uncommon for private military contractors to be used in the place of American troops.
While remaining under American control, these troops are not subject to the rules imposed by Congress and the Colombian Senate. They are funded by the same money, but have minimal accountability and maximum deniability.
The truth is that by giving FARC safe haven, Chavez isn’t crossing the line with Colombia; but by going into Venezuela to raid FARC camps, Colombia and the US are breaking all kinds of rules.
@Chris
Got a source for:
1. American troops involved with AUC civilian-killing and drug-dealing?
2. Where in international law you’re allowed to harbour (and fund, and arm) insurgents who operate in a neighbouring country? As opposed to that being, for instance, an act of war.
I don’t have any axe to grind concerning Plan Colombia, but it should be fairly obvious that the main effort, if the US wants to help the Colombian govt stop drug-traffickers, will be to support their military counter-insurgency effort against the heavily-armed drug-funded insurgencies of the AUC (as was) and the FARC. Mission creep, possibly. Part of a misguided “war on drugs”, possibly. A legitimate policy, in my view yes.
And don’t forget that the US Congress keeps reauthorising Plan Colombia, regardless of whether it’s still implementing the original stated intention.
1) Yeah, sure… let me just fish out the research paper I wrote…
…lucky it forms part of my thesis, eh? Otherwise I’d just be pissing Craigisms out.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/US/story?id=1252876
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/7171
http://www.cfr.org/publication/15239/colombias_rightwing_paramilitaries_and_splinter_groups.html
Yes. Have sources. It’s part of my thesis.
If it lets me post them…
It won’t, at least, not right now and it’s too late. They are there though. Insist some more and I’ll issue you with them tomorrow.
Well I see real life is a little too disturbing for those here & my previous post & link pointing out the undeniable fact that our government has been involved in massacres in Kosovo & almost worse, that our media can be relied on to totally censor it, has been censored.
http://a-place-to-stand.blogspot.com/2008/01/dragodan-massacre-freedom-of_23.html
http://a-place-to-stand.blogspot.com/2008/01/dragodan-massacre-freedom-of.html
Since Ed previously asserted that the survival of “this great democracy of ours” depended on me allowing him to publish his gay porn fantasises on my blog I am sure he will be dencouncing this censorship since clearly our people knowing our government is murdering thousands is rather more important to “this great democracy” than knowing his fantasies.
Tip for future censors – when censoring something it is less obvious if you also take out all posts specificly replying to it. Since these are virtually unanimously saying that anybody who tells the truth is a “cunt” I realise this would be taking out some of the most intelligent comments Branes produce.
Neil, before you go any further spaz-doolally about censorship, your posts in this topic haven’t been censored. I can see them in the pending comment queue, but I can’t release them from it – only Nelson can do that.
It looks like WordPress has decided that the url of your site is spam, probably because it’s been posted here so often, or possibly because it’s done a skynet, become self-aware, read your site and decided it’s complete bollocks, I dunno.
Anyway, to repeat, they have fallen into the pending comment queue and will be pooblished by Nelson when he gets round to it. I fully expect now you’ll go off on an amusingly overblown rant about how unfair we’re being to you, with no acknowledgement of the fact that it’s simply that same thing that you do to all comments on your own site. Should be fun.
Nelson should probably authorise a few others to release comments from the queue. If I’m right.
Chris, the same applies to your posts. They’re in the spam queue because they have about 8 links a piece in them.
The very important lesson for all parties is this: if you engage with Neil Craig, even the emotionless, inhuman box of silicon running this site will, of its own accord, get so bored it rejects the conversation. Take that as a hint.
Ed, why change it when it’s working perfectly?
That we should fall victim to the trap for spambots and dullards! O tempora, o mores.
Chris, why not do what I did with the Javascript doodah, and repost your posts onto your blog? A link here, from your “website” link, and hey presto!
In a strange way, I’m actually looking forward to seeing what Nearly says. Did he take the red pill, or the blue pill? I know what my money’s on.
Remind me… which one is the “fucktarded spasmo” one again?
The one I’m replying to?
OH BURN!
@Kelvin
Yikes. Queue? Just post the first one then. I won’t ever do this again.
In my defence though, I’m not engaging with NC. I’m engaging with Ed aka NC. I decided a while ago that NC was cunt and not worth it.
IT’S A FUCKING NIGHTMARE. I DON’T KNOW HOW THE INTERNET WORKS. I’M ONLY ON HERE BECAUSE MY BOSS SAID I HAD TO BE.
That name speaks volumes about his self image; an arrogant pompous twat who thinks they merit silent awe just by walking in the door. One who is incapable of treating other people as equals and sees conversation as a didactic one-way street. A person who can only interact socially when they are allowed to be totally dominant.
A pedagogue. Or to be more accurate, a mad pedagogue who rants to a cyber classroom of permanently empty seats. You are not a leader Craig. Far far far from it. And you are most certainly not a professor. You run a comicbook shop, or had you forgotten?
Kelvin your “you weren’t being censored it was just the computer became self aware” line doesn’t hold water. As anyone can see
11 Aug 2009 at 12:37 pm funny peculiar & others are replying to a comment of mine which didn’t get lost in pending but appeared here & was subsequently deliberately removed.
Incidentally far from “no acknowledgement” of me censoring the very post you are referring to compares the fact that I did censor you trying to put your gay sexual fantasies on my blog. If you cannot see a moral difference between deciding not to publish that & your decision to censor something proving that our government has been responsible for genocide & our media cover it up then that is your problem.
Neil, would you say that during your life:
- People are often sarcastic towards you
- People are sometimes sarcastic towards you
- No-one has ever said a single sarcastic thing to you in your life and you would know if they did because you are very good indeed at spotting sarcasm?
I ask because this would help me diagnose whether you’re being wilfully obtuse, or whether you have some sort of autism spectrum disorder that just makes it appear that way.
Yes, that’s the rant I was after, the one where you explain that doing the exact same thing is different when you do it, because you’re important and no-one else is. You’re on the cusp of being entertaining again!
Incidentally this is something that makes me smile and I thought I’d share. Back in December WordPress added support for Gravatars in the back end. If you don’t have a registered one, gravatar.com will make one up for you out of a few standard elements. But it will always show the same one for a given commenter.
This is the one it chooses for Neil.
Even though it’s a random assortment of geometric shapes chosen by a computer with no aesthetic capability, I think it captures Neil perfectly. The one bogged-out eye with the twitch lines in the corner, the angry mouth permanently twisted into a denunciation of everything anyone else says, the complete isolation…
Between gravatar automatically assigning you a picture of someone forever frozen in a paranoid rant and wordpress getting so sick of listening to you that it drops your posts into the bullshit bucket, I think you should rethink your conspiracy theories Neil. It’s not the BBC that’s at the centre of everything. Semiconductors themselves hate you.
He took the blue pill, and stayed in bullshit world.
And I wrote 500 words that brilliantly summed up logical thought and analysis and rhetoric. That’ll learn me not to engage with mentals.
500 words saying nothing & avoiding disputing the obvious fact that my 1st post was censored despite all your claims to the contrary.
As anyone can see, it’s still up there: 18. on 11 Aug 2009 at 11:47 am
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK! Does this guy ever stop bleating about his percieved grievances. I bet 1000 quid he can take FURIOUS offense at a minor offhand comment and carry it for twenty years and still keep it as fresh as the day it was given.
I also bet that the scally teenagers love to go into his shop and dick him about until he goes purple and loses it big style.
Yeah, you can see it. But through our secret spy camera in Neil’s office (borrowed from the BBC) we can tell when he’s about to visit the site and we delete it so he gets angry, then we put it back after he’s gone to make him look like the kind of tiny-minded petty wanksock who blunders around making hugely overblown protestations of his own importance at the tiniest perceived sleight.
I mean, that’s the only possible answer, isn’t it? Otherwise he really would be the kind of tiny-minded petty wanksock who blunders around making hugely overblown protestations of his own importance at the tiniest perceived sleight, and we all know that’s no description of the Neil we all know and love.
HEY NEIL THAT’S SARCASM I GUESS NOW IT HAPPENED TO YOU ONCE IN YOUR LIFE YOU SHOULD NOTE IT IN YOUR JOURNAL
Incidentally Neil if you’re going to do that with the tentacle comics you should really offer a discount when you put them back on the shelf. After all the punters aren’t getting full value when all the best pages are stuck together.
So suddenly its back again. I wonder how that could have happened? Guess it must be the self aware computer.
Sarcasm.
Ohhhhhhhh, I see how it is. DC Fontana writes about a self-aware computer and you can barely stop wanking long enough to write it into the 9 percent manifesto. I write about a self-aware computer and suddenly you think it’s a subject of mockery.
You fucking racist.
Nearly,
I’m done with you. You asked a question, I spent an hour answering it. You failed to absorb the answer.
Everyone, from now on, please deny him the oxygen of oxygen.
How apt that the title of this thread is “Reading Comprehension, Year 5″.
He’s ill, poor soul. It’s Buxton-Kadir time!
I would happily deny him the oxygen of oxygen. I’ve already sealed him in his house, now I just need to get this blasted vacuum pump working!
Kelvin aka Ed aka …I didn’t ask a question I stated a fact – that posts of mine had been censored. You may have spent an hour on it but you didn’t answer it (writing visible rubbish & later calling it sarcasm isn’t an answer).
See Neil, for all your whinging about how no-one addresses your VERY IMPORTANT arguments and complaints, what you’re actually doing is being a monumental cretin. I’ll try and explain why, but I can’t guarantee not to use irony or sarcasm so if any of it is not clear, get a grown-up to help you with it.
First of all, it’s not actually possible to argue against your ideas because they’re so crackpot, malformed and ill-expressed. Some of the people on here have been quite generous and extrapolated meaning from the slogans you occasionally throw into your posts, but don’t confuse their ability to infer things with your own ability to write. They have it; you don’t.
Second of all, even when these poor misguided sods try to deal with you, you do what you’ve just done: Invent any reason whatsoever to ignore them in order to protect your own worldview without any of that tedious proving of facts that eludes you so often. In this case you’ve (once again) conflated Ed and me, so that you can use my post – which, given that I understand what a dishonest looncase you are, contains nothing but the insults you deserve – to avoid having to read Ed’s, which naively assumes you’re interested in evidence. I note that he’s now finally realised the futility of his approach. You should note, Neil, that exasperating someone to the point they call you a retard and walk away is not the same as winning an argument with them. I know the latter experience is not one you’ve ever encountered so I can understand why you fail to distinguish between the two.
Of course, you have other methods for this. One of your favourites is to ignore ALL of a post except one tiny little point at which you can nitpick, usually for completely unrelated purposes like an error in grammar or some wording you can twist around and make some obscure (by which I mean visible only to the mentally instable) rhetorical point. One some occasions you are presented with irrefutable evidence which you then, er, refute on no better grounds than an insult to the person providing it.
Third, there’s no point arguing with you, because your stubborn insistence on Being Right in the face of reality makes it a waste of energy. The correct thing for any of your interlocutors to do is annoy you for their own entertainment, watch as you bang about on the walls of your own ignorance like an angry wasp trapped in a glass jar made of ignorance (that is a metaphor by the way) and luxuriate in the knowledge that you’re wrong and lonely now, and you’ll die wrong and lonely and knowing you’ve failed.
So enjoy this sudden flush of popularity Neil. Enjoy knowing that for the first time in your mad little life you’ve been exposed to an audience – mostly made up of those people you’re always wishing would listen to you; the intelligent ones, the open-minded ones, the ones who can vote – and all you’ve managed to do is make them, to a man, think of you as not just wrong, not just comical, but as so obtuse, dull and humourless that you’re only worth keeping around as a kind of monkey that does an amusing dance when you make the right kind of stimulus in front of it. I’m not sure I’d count that as a success, but then I know you have different standards in that area.
By the way, in the interest of saving you important looking-around-the-shop-wondering-why-the-customers-never-come-in-any-more time, the quickest way to ignore all of that post and come up with a reponse that’s neither funny nor addresses anything in the post is to look at the fourth-last line, see that I’ve metaphorically described you as a monkey and come out with some world-shatteringly obtuse statement like “I am clearly not a monkey because monkeys cannot type.”
Ahem… err Kelvin sweetie? Aren’t you getting a little bit too involved with Neil’s world? You have been sucked in to his flailing tentacles. You might as well try to hurt the ocean by throwing stones at it as make The Craig Monster see reason.
He is mad. And that is all he is.
I know. It’s aimed more as a warning for anyone who thinks he can be argued with. I fully expect Neil himself to completely ignore it and trot out some trite response about how he’s obviously not a wasp.
Kelvin,
Your words were wise and well-written.
It’s truly and genuinely baffling that someone would conflate two people. He has referred to me posting “gay fantasies” when that was you what done it. Talk about permanently, tragically confused.
To whomever may be interested,
I’ve put my notes to Nearly on an interblog entry, entitled “Letter to a crackpot”:
http://lifethefinalfrontier.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!B0B472C186FA9E4D!309.entry
Someone should totally do the “crankpedia.com” thing. It would be a valuable resource, with many lulz and crank-pwnage.
OH DEAR GOD I EVEN WRAPPED THE LINK ABOVE WITH AN HTML ANCHOR AND WORDPRESS STILL WRECKED IT!
Here is the correct link.
Has Neil taught you nothing? Computers are entirely infallible and therefore WordPress cannot have wrecked your link. Obviously Nelson is censoring your link as part of the pro-crackpot conspiracy for whom he works (when he’s not moonlighting at the BBC).
BIASED BROADCASTING CENSORSHIP MORE LIKE!
Neil? Teaching something? I suppose he could act as a horrifying example.
Yup.
Crankpedia sounds awesome. But very, very, complicated: the internet is built on cranks.
There’s something Neil taught me.
It started with the Westboro Baptist Church, was further evidenced by Timecube but was finally confirmed by Craig.
It’s the general rule of fucknuggetry: the more it looks like a hoax – the more you can’t believe that someone would believe this – the less likely it is to be a hoax.
Craig’s ramblings aren’t worth the paper they’re not written on. It’s tempting to try and point out the fundamental flaws in his arguments, the chasm grade leaps of logic and the excision of swathes of information that disproves his blunt points. Against my better judgement, I often get dragged into arguing with lesser Craigs and seeing the same kind of errors and idiocies pop up over and over again. But while it’s tempting, it’s usually depressingly pointless. Every time I do it, I can’t work for days afterwards.
I’m serious. I’ve developed real issues over the rationality of human beings.
Craig’s just really blatant about his idiocy. Some people manage to hide it behind a thin veneer of status, which Craig doesn’t have; others reveal that the thin veneer of status is actually a large glob of status anxiety.
I’ve started to head for status anxiety. Neil always wanted to be a superstar scientist, but couldn’t pass his highers. He makes up for it now by saying that the rest of the world knows fuck all, that the standards were shit to begin with, and acquires status from this delusion.
I’d like to see his brain transplanted into a squirrel’s body after he dies. I don’t think there’d be much difference in behaviour.
Well Ed aka Kelvin as you have repeatedly styled yourself there is not a single word on that long diatribe that could have been written by anybody who was not a wholly dishonset little turd. No offence. For example I have been several times set upon formissing a letter (gant instead of grant for example). Something which will be instantly confirmed by every one of “the intelligent ones, the open-minded ones”. Granted that ain’t many here but I live in hope there are a few.
But apart from being a liiar if you were even half way to inteligent you wouldn’t try such a transparently dishonest line. In fact virtually every point you make applies to yourself (in your various guises) & the failure to produce any attempt at coherent argument is not mine. Indeed I was upbraided for expecting anybody here to manages such coherence since I was assured it is not what people here do
“there’s no point arguing with you, because your stubborn insistence on Being Right” – Do you regularly meet people who argue with you by starting off saying they agree with you & think they are wrong? Moron.
Now if somebody came up with a real fact based argument not dependent on scatalogical (look it up) insults it is possible they might actually get somewhere. Not something you are capable of obviously, but it has happened.
Incidentally the use of the term “turd” to describe you was metaphorical. Liar, wholly dishonest & moron weren’t.
Well Neil, as a result of that you’ve changed everyone’s opinion of you and guaranteed you won’t die lonely, wrong and disappointed. So I guess the system does work after all.
Dear Neil,
All your answers are here…
http://www.personalitydisorder.org.uk/
Kelvin, you’re in good company. Craig just classified you as a liar. So you’re in the same group as… well, everyone who disagrees with him.
That’s the majority of the world, Craig.
Get back to your comic shop. It’s the highest you’re going to climb in terms of legitimisation.
To all those still talking to Neil “Denial” Craig: it’s futile, but not entirely pointless. I still find it hilarious. Or possibly filarious. I can’t tell anymore.
Also: he didn’t deny being either monkey or wasp! Clearly he is a monkeywasp! I’m on to you, Neil…
Chris, though it is clearly your highest ambition, anybody who doesn’t hold some opinion the majority of the world doesn’t agree with would be a pretty pathetic brain dead specimen.
He might as well have classified me as a coconut for all he understands the concept of integrity.
Yes Neil, but no-one agrees with anything you say.
Please, go dig yourself a Buxton Geothermal Turbine Generator and sit in it.
The one question Neil refuses to answer, but which is most relevant, is, “What is your opinion of Mr. Kadir-Buxton?” Does you think KB is a maverick genius bravely swimming against the tide of popular opinion, or is he a tragic, barking mad internet loony?
Another question he’s never answered is: has he ever actually had sex? If so, with what species, and what gender?
And apparently my highly-educated writings are a “diatribe [nothing of which] could have been written by anybody who was not a wholly dishonset little turd”. Is this the most bafflingly badly-written sentence ever shat onto a screen?
After a couple of minutes of head-scratching, I did some algebraic negatives-cancelling. “[N]ot…dishonest” -> “honest”. So apparently my little treatise on logic and persuasion was in fact “not writable by any honest person”. Don’t know what to make of that. Too bizarre.
By the way, Chris, I’ll guess you’re mid-20s. A thing that will help in dealing with crackpots is to maintain a mental distance from them. If they get their claws of craziness into you it can infect you, as you’ve discovered.
Note that Nearly’s definition of “non-brain dead” = “holds some opinion the majority of the world doesn’t agree with”. In other words, unpopularity of view = brilliant insightfulness.
True Neil, but that doesn’t make you right. You imply it does, you are wrong.
It’s slighty tangential, but this link takes you to a humourous defence of empirical mainstream wisdom. It’s a poetic recital, but we’re all grown ups here. Of course Neil will fail to recognise how it relates to him, ‘cos he’s special, but we can enjoy it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUQn0HhGEk
Actually, while the above poem is relevant to Neil and his belief that his non-conformist views are automatically justified, this one is much much MUCH more relevant to his situation, though I doubt he’ll agree…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lktd1OBHVI&feature=related
And who among HASN’T had similar feelings, and resolved them the same way?
Look, I know things are bad. I know Neil is entirely deserving of a reality slap around the brainular lobe. But really, let’s hold the upper ground here. Resorting to poetry? Really?
Oh come on Kelvin, all real scientists love poetry…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmwlzwGMMwc
Oooh, so close, Ed. Very early 30s.
The problem is that some of them don’t display outright craziness at the beginning. For example, from the moment I saw Craig’s blog, after dismissing the idea that it was either a joke or some seriously smart irony, I knew that investment in time and logic was about as sensible an investment as shares in Lehman Brothers.
But you get caught out by fucknuggets. You can be happily rolling along on a discussion, and suddenly, without warning, reason and logic – or the semblance of them – evaporates, and suddenly you’re involved in a discussion with someone who uses the phrase “ZaNu Liebore” in all seriousness, and worst of all, can’t see that it isn’t smart, funny, cutting, insightful or intelligent to repeat the same thing you’ve heard on the Daily Mail website over and over again.
The same kind of people who will seriously use the phrases, “The thing that frightens me is…” and “I’m not being racist, but…”. You’re happily rolling along, and suddenly they drop a Littlebomb.
That’s the problem – being caught out by assuming that people are reasonable when what I should be doing is assuming they’re all just a firearm away from another Hungerford. It’s like reading something, agreeing with the first point and then staggering into disbelief as the train of thought comes off the rails of sanity and ends up rolling through the freshly ploughed fields of the batshit insane.
So Chris anybody who spends spare time blogging is an idiot. An opinion you are entitled to hold & indeed to spend your spare time blogging about.
I would like to thank all “the intelligent ones, the open-minded” branes for their support. I would like to thank the pond life for their attention.
Nearly, nobody on here has supported you. Nobody at all. Ever.
Chris, fair enough. But I suggest there is still a problem for you if you’re not jumping the train before it enters the freshly-ploughed fields (nice image, by the way).
No, just you. You’re the idiot. You misinterpret every single thing that comes your way. You have a broken cog in your brain. You’re like a stupid version of Rev. Dr. Lionel Jones.
With that comment, you not only registered a swing and a miss, but you lost control of the bat and it went right into your shrivelled, useless genitals. You saw hypocrisy where there wasn’t any, just like you see lies where there aren’t any and, I presume, friends where there aren’t any.
Speaking of trains, Craig, isn’t it about time you jumped in front of one?
Fucking hell, first he apologised for writing, now he’s admitting he’s an idiot!
It’s progress, Jim, but not as we know it.
Arguing with you Neil is like trying to eat soup with chopsticks. Seriously, why are you still here? We are the antithesis of your beliefs and we are 100% definitely not going to be converted to your ideas. This website was DESIGNED to mock people like you. Its whole function is to shine a spotlight on cranks and laugh at them. You are the butt of this website ffs. We are laughing at you (or at least we were). Can’t you see that? And yet you have been here for weeks trying to convince us of your nutty conspiracies and superior intellect??? Have you no sense of proportion? There MUST be another bit of the internet, somewhere, less hostile to you than we are, so why are you still here?
What do you want?
Because all the bits of the internet (and indeed the whole world) that are less hostile to him also completely ignore him. And, like the kid at school who would eat ladybirds just to get people to notice him, Neil can’t distinguish between positive attention and negative attention. If we all ignored Neil for a week he’d probably start shitting pennies just to get a reaction from us.
Ladybirds? Really?
So you are saying, if I eat Ladybirds, I’ll shit pennies. Wow.
This is an example of the Neil Craig school of thinking.
Yes, but if you eat pennies you’ll shit rainbows so we can conclusively see that rainbows are a second-order product of ladybirds.
Ed aka Kelvin aka anybody else said “Nearly, nobody on here has supported you. Nobody at all. Ever”
You really do walk into these don’t you. If you read it you will see I also thanked the pond life.
Kelvin aka whoever if you read again you will see that I didn’t actually agree with Chris’ assessment that anybody, like him, who spends time blogging is an idiot but I will defend to the death his right to say it.
Oh. Oh right. I see what I’ve done there now.
I mean, looking at it again what I’ve done is reached a conclusion, then cherry-picked only the parts of your post that support that conclusion. Then I’ve deliberately taken that part of the post out of context to make it appear to agree with my existing belief. Then I’ve deliberately misunderstood it in order to wrench its meaning around to what I want it to mean. Then on top of that I’ve ignored everything else in your post and carried on like negating one small part of your argument on the deliberate failure to understand its context is the same as addressing all the points you raise in it.
Which of those would you say was the most egregious thing I did, out of interest?
Oh, and the other thing which I’m now doing is to act as though your counterargument never existed, and ask, now you’ve admitted you’re an idiot, what’s the next thing you’l be apologising for?
You flatter yourself Kelvin aka. You have yet to address any part of my original argument. Nor are you alone. On my original thread here I asked if it was possible for anybody else on here to put a coherent argument against anything I said & the answer still seems to be no.
Oh shit, now it appears I’ve cherry-picked and extrapolated from a small set of data to produce results that agree with my pre-existing conclusion, which could well actually be in complete disagreement from what the unadulterated data would demonstrate. Would you say that was even more dishonest than what I was doing before, Neil?
Also, people who use ampersands in conversational prose: has anyone ever met anyone who does this that wasn’t either a Lorna Pope-level dingbat, or a hilariously pompous twat?
Kelvin, do you ever worry that the moles might get broken if you whack them hard enough?
Me neither.
Well Neil Craig aka Ed aka convenient strawman, moles tunnel into the ground, which as we have already established makes them tools of Satan. Therefore I wouldn’t be worried about breaking them, which invalidates everything else you have ever said, you weird Scottish nutjob.
Oh fuck, now what I appear to have done is use someone else’s comments entirely in attribution to Neil! I mean, even though it’s blatantly fucking obvious that Ed and Neil are different people and they’ve been talking between themselves previously in this thread, I just can’t seem to stop myself doing it! And not only that, I seem to have skipped the whole “rationale” part and gone straight from pulling a conclusion out of my arse to insulting Neil for not agreeing with it. Neil, do you think this is worse or better than the cherry-picking?
Kelvin aka Nearly Craig,
By asking such an idiotic question you prove that you’re a genocide-supporting Nazi who works for the BBC (but I repeat myself). Clearly you haven’t even addressed my main argument, which is that I’m desperate to be loved.
Returning to a long way back:
“Tragic, but he gets no attention elsewhere, so like one of the really rancid slags at school, he just likes to get someone to pay some attention to him, even if that attention is very very inappropriate.”
Am I really alone in finding the phrase ‘really rancid slag’ when applied to a school age girl just the teensiest tiniest bit mind-blowingly misogynistic?
I do hope not. This is normally such a civilised place to be: intelligent posts, witty banter, nice curtains…
What did you say, Neil?
All I can see is that:
1. You put a link to your own blog as evidence for one your favourite theories regarding NATO Nazi Organ Harvesters.
2. You thought that your post linking to your own blog had been censored. This was shown to you to have never happened. Rather than admit an oversight, you couldn’t face the fact that you got something wrong and blurted silliness about it “suddenly re-appearing”. Have you heard of RSS feeds?
3. You’re arguing the toss over who’s a liar? You or everyone else?
This pattern has repeated itself several times on this site alone. Have I missed anything, or am I a liar too?
Neil, you have a personality disorder, and you need some help to re-assess your life. Please stop and think. Get some professional help; there’s no shame in it. The first step will be the hardest. And before you reply with an inference that I need the help or am “personally familiar” with this type of help or that I’m a liar or that I’m a Nazi sympathiser, realise that this, too, is part of the illness.
But do those curtains match the drapes?
@Simon
Each of us has reached out to Nearly, thinking that it will be us that breaks through the thick crust of crazy. Each of us has been disappointed. Let’s see how it turns out for you.
@ Ed: I tried once before by setting up a thread on a neutral forum where no-one can censor anyone or be suspected of it. I remember that apart from myself, 2 “fellow” SYB were willing to help. Neil declined, so we were stuck with here or his blog: Neither were satisfactory as Neil full-well knew. At the time, I thought, unkindly, that he was just an arse, but now I see patterns to his behaviour so I’m going to try and be gentle with him and try to get him to think.
@Neil: Don’t take “try to get him to think” as an insult: It isn’t. Most importantly, it’s up to you to prove your argument; it’s not up to anyone else to disprove it.
I think that this comic contains a lesson for us all on dealing with people like Nearly.
Yes, and it makes you some kind of humourless lesbian, or someone who actually was one of those really rancid slags.
In my defence, I’m a staggeringly arrogant wanker. In my further defence, aforementioned rancid slags were rancid slags, just like I was an arrogant wanker. In my further further defence, just like I’m still an arrogant wanker, they’re probably still rancid slags and furthermore probably spend most of their time on HYS.
(Now I’m using stereotypes.)
In my further further defence defence, the application of those badges to apply positive or negative attributions to gender roles, be those roles positive or negative themselves is in fact culturally and biologically bound. Sexuality became a way to grab attention from men in the same way it couldn’t be used by equally rancid males to get attention from women. I could have called Neil one of those acne ridden fat bastards who spent their time trying to cover up the fact that they never bathed with Lynx and I don’t think you would have called misanry on me.
I think that’s rather sexist of you, and you should apologise.
Oi. Fucknugget. Read again… I never said that people who spend their time blogging were idiots. You inferred that from absolutely the most tenuous of links. In fact, I didn’t mention the word “bloggers” at all. The only blog I made reference to was yours.
What you should actually be inferring from that point is nothing much more than you’re the idiot.
I obviously meant “misandry”.
And by the way, I’m not a misogynist. I love women. Why, without them I’d have to cook my own dinner.
Tonight I’m having delicious irony.
Just noticed: Nearly uses the old canard about “defending to the death” people’s right to free speech. Somehow I think he wouldn’t.
I strongly suspect that Neil will now retort that he’s not a duck.
He’d have to know the fact on which you base that before he’d say it. Knowledge isn’t really his thing.
@Neil.
The end of my sentence
should have finished.
or that I’m a liar or that I’m a Nazi sympathiser or that Famous Person X was accused of idiocy, realise that this, too, is part of the illness..
Apologies for quoting myself here, but I’d like to make clear that I’m not claiming to prove anything by this, just correcting myself.
Closest to coherent Simon so you deserve an answer.
My post was censored, aka says this was because the computer became self aware & I don’t believe that.
The link is indeed to my blog – specificly to the government’s answer to a Freedom of Information Act enquiry about the Dragodan Massacre. While several people here have said that this genocide of 210 unarmed civilians by our police (formerly NATO armed KLA) under our authority, couldn’t possibly have happened, in this great democracy of ours, without massive coverage. The link shows not only that the government disagree but that it has been acknowledged in Parliament. Indeed I provided a further link to Hansard which, I must ask you to accept my, I don’t control.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200102/cmordbk1/20131w01.htm
That, as somebody pointed out, the overwhelning majority of mentions of an act of genocide comparable to My Lai (look it up) in English come from me does not prove I made it up.
What it proves is either that I made it all up or that all the Beeboids & other “journalists” in this country are wholly & completely corrupt racist Nazi filth.
Branes wallow in finding something that stupid & racist members of the public say contradicting the wise words of the noble & impartial liberal minded news controllers. In fact it is largely that public who are close to impartial & the Beeboids who are stupid, corrupt racist, Nazi, filth who will proveably tell any lie & censor any fact to promte their masters fascism. And you lot sit there giggling about the cleverness of your ignorance.
Arsecrack:
First of all, please pay attention to what you’re being told. In particular, the suggestion from SYBers and others that you need psychiatric help.
1) Your link to Hansard is the question to the minister, not the answer. This is the response. The original link you provided to your own blog was nothing more than a collection of leaps of logic and your own conjectures. That’s why it’s not valid. It doesn’t make sense. You can’t draw the conclusions you do from the evidence you’ve presented. Trust me. I’ve actually read it.
Please note that neither questions nor responses on Hansard make reference to a massacre. They do in fact refer to the existence of corpses, and according to the brief look I had at your letters and FOI requests, the only response you would have accepted as satisfactory from the government – which admitted nothing you’d like it to admit – was complete and utter admission of complicity in organ trafficking.
2) The options aren’t in fact either you’re making shit up or the media are lying. The options are wide-ranging.
But, in fact, I can’t be arsed flicking through the random collection of persecuted, paranoid ramblings that make up your blog.
So I’m going to ask you a question now. Because you like to play games, and because you like to get the words “Dragodan” and “massacre” onto Google, I’m going to oblige you.
This game is called, “which is more likely?”
The rules are fairly self-explanatory. I’m going to give you a black and white option, which are the only options you’re comfortable with. I’m going to dress it in language particularly prejudiced toward leading toward a particular viewpoint, which, again, is something you’re comfortable with. And finally, I’m going to ignore everything you say afterward and settle back in a sense of my own smug self-satisfaction, and also this wonderful kava kava buzz.
Neil, is is more likely that:
a) Wide sections of the media, governments, non-governmental organisations from a diverse range of countries (including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Medicin Sans Frontiers), international observers, NATO and the majority of the general public, are either ignorant of or complicit in a wide-ranging conspiracy to not only harvest organs from Serbs, but also to conceal this fact from the general public AND conceal large scale massacres. Or,
b) You’re a mad fucknugget who’s grasped onto a straw, won’t let go and because no-one agrees with him or listens to him, is utterly utterly and incorrectly convinced that there’s a conspiracy afoot and he’s the only one who recognises that the great evil is stalking amongst us.
Which one do you think it is, Neil?
Answers on a postcard, please, to KILL YOURSELF NOW, YOUR LIFE ISN’T WORTH LIVING.
Chris, you beat me to it.
@Neil, is that it !!? I gave you a second chance and you failed again.
My Lai (look it up) : You are all wise and I know nothing.
All you did was provide a dumb link (that’s Chris for correcting that) and throw insults. Repeating pattern, Neil.
“Beeboids”, “Nazi filth”: These are not your thoughts, Neil: They are the opinions of the bigots from Biased BBC.
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Half right, Neil. The whole point of this blog is having a laugh at stupid people. I couldn’t care less if they contradicted the media or not: It’s stupid that counts.
One last thing Neil, and I mean the last ever: Are you aware that the owner of this site does NOT believe what the BBC or most (all?) media outlets report? He’s publicly stated it here more than once. You see Neil. I happen to disagree with him about this, but that doesn’t make him or me a liar or a Nazi. One day, he may be proved correct or proved nuts: So what?
I’m not interested in further discourse.
For everyone else.
If you want sources for NATO Nazi Organ Harvesters, just have a trawl though the BNP (.org.uk) or Stormfront (.org) websites.
Up until this point I may have been willing to accept that there may have been some small grains of truth in Neil’s rambling, but now I have to choose between Neil made it up or all Journalists are corrupt racist Nazi filth.
So Neil, why did you make it all up?
See Neil, what you’ve done there is deliberately misinterpret an obviously sarcastic comment to hide the fact that what you’re actually doing is conflate two different events: One where your posts were being automatically marked as “pending” because they appeared to be possible spam, and one where you mistakenly thought a post had been deleted and kicked off about censorship. The aim appears to be to avoid having to backpedal and admit you made a mistake. Is that worse or better than what I was doing Neil?
See Neil, what you’ve done there is link to a question asked in parliament and claimed a question asking for identification of bodies is the same as proof that those bodies are who you claim they are. That’s falsely representing the evidence, Neil. Is that better or worse than what I was doing? Please answer, because you are obviously the moral authority here.
See Neil, what you’ve done there is commit Argumentum ad populum, which is the same thing you accuse people of doing when they say everything thinks you’re an idiot. So is this hypocrisy better or worse than what I was doing, Neil? And does your need to resort to this fallacy make your “evidence” more, or less, compelling by association?
See what you’ve done there is weasel in the word “proves” as though what you linked to is a fait accompli, further bolstering your false claim that it’s evidence; and then you’ve set up a false dichotomy that anyone who doesn’t agree with it must be a nazi. That’s leaping from an unsupported position directly to condemnation, Neil. Is that better or worse than the hypocrisy, misrepresentation and deliberate failure to understand that we’ve identified so far?
See Neil, what you’ve done there is assume that by repeatedly issuing proclamations of how clever and right you are, you can make yourself be clever and right in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That means that you’re willing to ignore reason, truth, evidence and fact in your campaign to be important, which I would identify as a form of corruption. So Neil, if my choice is to believe a corrupt BBC, which has oversight from a democratically elected government, or a corrupt You, who has oversight only from the pixies that live on your shoulder, why in the name of christing fucksausage should I believe your pixie council has the authority here?
OK, possibly it’s not Argumentum ad Populum. Neil, you should consider writing your sentences in a style my second-year English teacher described as “understandable.”
But then again I don’t think there actually is a term for the fallacy of just because I’m the only person who writes about it doesn’t make it untrue. I mean, the ‘overwhlening’ majority of evidence in the English language about you recieving consensual homosexual fellatio were written by me, Neil. Does that prove or disprove that they were made up?
Some hard-hitting analysis by Simon, Chris and Kelvin there. However, I suggest that what you’re punching is the wind(bag). Time to declare victory?
Chris. You could have just ended your answer at ‘yes’. You had me at ‘yes’.
I also then wouldn’t have had to half-heartedly attempt to wade through this excitingly overwritten clause:
‘the application of those badges to apply positive or negative attributions to gender roles, be those roles positive or negative themselves is in fact culturally and biologically bound.’
before deciding that there wasn’t any real meaning contained therein and going off to have some lovely minge for my tea.
Exactly. Ex-fucking-actly. We COULDN’T agree more.
So as Ed eloquently points out, we should just accept Neil’s first-hand confession of his pathetic lack of facts, support or credibility as the finish tape and stop trying argue with someone whose bathroom cabinet is jam-packed with decades of untaken, prescribed medication.
We win. He fucking admits it in writing. Now please… let it go. The guy is a mad man. Continuing this is tantamount to the torturing of dumb animals.
(… especially if Neil IS a duck)
If I could bring my cat into this one too, I’m both unwilling and unable to torture him.
You have to let me torture Neil. Please. As far as I’m aware, winding up retards on the internet isn’t barred by the Geneva convention, and so much of the good stuff is.
Oh no! My secret identity!
Chris your pointing out that the link I gave starts with the question is rather more silly than the previous. naturally untruthful, criticism of me that I keep pointing out people’s spelling mistakes. However you next remark must be one of the weirdest in the English language:
“neither questions nor responses on Hansard make reference to a massacre. They do in fact refer to the existence of corpses”
In exactly what way is the undisputed finding of the corpses of at least 210 murdered people not evidence of a massacre. Presumably you are also on record as claiming rain is not evidence of the presence of water?
Your options are not A & B but
A 1 – They committed genocide “ignorantly”
A 2 – They did it “complicitly”
B – I made it all up, & secretly am in control of the government able to make them tell Parliament of their complicity in an act of genocide which, if you are correct, never happened. Unfortunately I am not secretly in control of the media & so they, in an entirely different conspiracy, have suppressed reporting of it. [& some loons here claim I am the conspiracy nut – it should be obvious to almost the meanest intelligence that your theory makes no sense}
Among options A 1 & 2 I point out that the NATO funded “court” has decided that, while 2 KLA fighters buried close to each other is a mass grave, 210 is only 210 separate graves in the same place. As all the organisations you mention as being ignorant/complicit know a civilian mass grave is ipso facto evidence, under international law of genocide. So, by, like yourself, denying that hundreds of murders are a massacre, they are deliberately lying to pretend that what they were involved in was not genocide. That is clearly evidence of deliberation not ignorance.
Simon you are clearly ignorant of the fact the BNP opposed that criminal war. Whatever you think of them you cannot honestly suggest that anybody in the BNP is 1.000th as Nazi as the obscene racist filth in the Lab/Con/LibDim party, the BBC or any other broadcaster of journalist.
aka says “what you’ve done there is commit Argumentum ad populum, which is the same thing you accuse people of doing ”
. I do not claim that revulsion at the undisputed murder of 210 innocents is popular. I claim the exact opposite – that the fact most people, including apparently all Branes, hadn’t previously heard of it is evidence of corruption among those allegedly reporting the news.
I trust nobody will object if I can’t be arsed responding to the other “hard hitting analysis” dependent on Branes knowing the contents of my bathroom cabinet etc.
See Neil, what you’ve done there is once again claim that “evidence of a massacre” is the same thing as “evidence that the victims of those massacre are who I say they are AND that NATO harvested organs from them” which is once again jumping from fact through enormous hoops of unsupported conjecture to a conclusion you already held. It’s (crudely) manipulative and dishonest to not only do this, but then keep on doing it once you’ve been caught out in the hope you can bluster through and change people’s minds through belligerence.
Oh and what you’ve done there is ignore that I’ve already said it probably wasn’t argumentum ad populum because realistically that point wasn’t argumentum at all. It was irreleventum, like pretty much everything you say.
See, once again you’ve mixed up inferring things with knowing things, Neil. We can take partial evidence of your mental state and infer that you’ve got a cabinet full of ignored meds and a restraining order or two. But that doesn’t prove it. You kind of have a problem with the logic there, though, don’t you.
Thinking about it, some mood stabilising drugs do have odd effects on perception, logic skills and the ability to communicate. And your mood is pretty stable, although if “paranoid and irate” was the aim then maybe Novartis should rethink their marketing.
So, employing Craigian Logic (like Cartesian but with the added fun of Proving Whatever You Like), this proves either that you’ve got a cabinet full of ignored meds, or that you’ve been taking those meds and that’s what has driven you off the deep end for a fun little dip in Lake Offyourtitticacas.
PRE-REBUTTAL EXPLANATION OF JOKE FOLLOWS
Yes Neil, I know it doesn’t prove either of those things. I know those two outcomes are mutually exclusive and for a single piece of evidence to be capable of proving both of them without depending on other factors would mean that the original piece of evidence was no proof either way. I know that there are many other possible scenarios which are not alluded to here. And I know that I pulled the original piece of evidence out of thin air in the first place. That’s because I’m taking the piss out of when you said this:
Which is where you pulled a piece of “evidence” out of thin air, then claimed it proved either of two conjectures in absentia any supporting evidence and in denial of the notion that neither of them could be true and the truth lies somewhere else. Do you see how I did that Neil? Are there some functioning brain cells beneath the strata of oblongata dedicated to shrieking like as a mad man at the world in general? Do you have any capacity left for introspection, or have you spunked away the last vestiges of rationality on denouncing imaginary conspiracies whose common target is you personally?
Look, I’ve had enough of this now! This prole is getting far too close to the truth and I think we need to take steps. We can only bluff him for so long and he seems a tenacious little turd. He’s not going to go quietly, so I’ve asked Ashdown to send one of his hush-hush boys round to Craig’s shop and make it look like a petty robbery that went badly wrong. It’s the best way, I think. The case will be briefly ‘investigated’, then dropped. Kelvin, make sure this doesn’t get put on your silly website, I never could learn how to use computers properly, I leave that to you young bloods. Well, that’s all. See you at Ciro’s later for Mandleson’s party, if you can make it. TTFN.
I was walking to work today and I passed a location where at least 500 bodies had been buried.
I immediately contacted the authorities and informed them that a large number of bodies had been buried in this location and that was, ipso facto, evidence of a massacre that had taken place.
They said yes, they were aware of a large number of bodies in this location – which proved they knew about the bodies and this had to be a massacre.
However, they said that there were other reasons for collections of bodies existing in one place, and furthermore a mass of graves wasn’t necessarily a mass grave.
I don’t believe them, however. The fact that they acknowledge the existence of the bodies in this location by itself proves my thesis. The fact that they’ve patiently explained to me everything and now won’t return my calls proves that they’re lying, and a conspiracy is afoot.
The fact that no one else believes me and calls me a mad fucknugget, and tells me I need psychiatric help proves I’m right.
Here’s a poorly constructed sentence and a blog post that contains a factual link, from which I’ve made a massive leap of logic to suit my own particular beliefs. And if you don’t agree, or try to point out any flaws, you’re a liar, and you’re stupid.
You know, I don’t really like to quote people, and I like even less to paraphrase people, but…
…Kurt Vonnegut once described the minds of the insane like any other mind. The cogs are all in the right places, and the design is exactly the same. The only difference is that some of the cogs have teeth missing.
The effect is that when you put the same information into the two different brains, the missing cogs in the mad brain mean that the information you get out of the other side is completely different. But the insane brain can’t tell the difference, because it has all the right cogs, it just doesn’t realise the teeth are missing.
Neil, for the love of God, get help. You have trouble interpreting basic information. It’s not that you don’t bother to read it – you clearly do – but you have a serious cognitive defect that means you can’t interpret it correctly.
Chris, I’m intrigued. Did you go home and post a long, rambling, logic-free explanation of this on your blog? And do you use major media outlets’ ignorance of that blog post, and subsequent failure to denounce something of which they’re totally unaware, to brand those outlets as wholly staffed by racist nazis? Do you then hold up the cuddly, friendly BNP as being far less racist and nazi than those outlets, even at the same time as you bang on about the liberal conspiracy in those media outlets?
It’s just if you did, it would remind me terribly of someone. But I can’t quite put my finger on whom just now.
TL;DR- Blah blah angry grr blah internet blah.
What’s happened to this place?
I don’t suppose “Too long for my shrivelled attention span” will ever catch on as an intarwebs acronym.
The most ironic thing about Nearly’s raving about the Beeb covering up the killings in Kosovo… is that they didn’t. I linked to the story (from April) somewhere here.
I feel compassion for Nearly (at the same time as substantial dislike), when I imagine what it must be like for him with his genuinely limited comprehension. As an exercise, imagine reading this site, but only one word in three. You’d have some idea of the subject matter, but you wouldn’t really get the details. You wouldn’t even know there were details you weren’t getting. Welcome to Nearly’s world.
No, Ed. You don’t understand. Plainly the evidence that they didn’t ignore it is nothing more than a manifestation of how they’re trying to cover it up.
Do you see how that works? No? Then you’re a liar, a Nazi, and also stupid.
This just sums up the BiasedBBC’s Chief Statistician, aka NC, perfectly.
How is Simon ignorant of the BNP’s public policy on this? He said nothings about their policies. All he said was you can trawl their (and Stormfront’s) website for info. Can you see the leap of logic you made there … again? Let me explain it in very simple terms: I think he was saying something of the personal politics of the people who believe this conspiracy, ie they hate mooslims and these people just cannot stomach muslims being seen as the main (NOT the only) victims in a war against (nominal) Chritians.
LOGIC:
Bin Laden = Bad,
Bin Laden = Muslim,
Kosovar = Albanian = Muslim = Bad,
Bosnian = Muslim = Bad,
Serb fighting Muslim = Good
Good = Christian
Therefore:
As Nazi = Bad,
BBC said “Serbs ≠ Good”
We can deduce:
Muslim = Nazi
BBC = Bad = Nazi
…
LOGIC continued.
BBC = Muslim (or Muslim controlled).
But most media outlets have “ignored” the massacres (and only reported on made-up massacres like Srebrenica), so
Most global media = Muslim-controlled
But also
Most global media = Jewish-controlled
so:
Muslim = Jew.
Think about it:
Neither of them eat pork, both are circumcised, both claim to live in the Levant. It’s a conspiracy. Wake up people!!!
END
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Why would ALL media cover this up? Why? ALL? Is it to appease mooslims and stamp on the face of Christianity with boots, forever?
Aka – Perhaps having claimed that 210 civilians murdered wasn’t a massacre you would actually confirm whether that was a disgusting lie before going on to object to me not making the leap of assuming you meant to but that “evidence that the victims of those massacre are who I say they are AND that NATO harvested organs from them”.
Actually you will also be wishing to apologise for the last part of that claim since it is, of course, a lie that I ever claimed the victims of this particular massacre were cut open to steal their body organs for our hospitals. That was an entirely different set of murders by our police.
Having actually read my blog, which you are denouncing (?) you will also wish to apologise for the first part of your claim since you will be aware that at least some of the bodies have been identified as Serbs who were alive until the NATO occupation & their “arrest” by our “KLA” police. Unless you are going to claim that this was a joint massacre by both the Serbs & NATO police, which is obviously ridiculous, then the massacre was carried out by our police, under our government’s authority.
I await all 3 retractions, in the knowledge that if you are something other than not only wholly dishonest genocidal Nazi, you will wish to make them.
Chris did the bodies in the grave you passed consist of people who had been deliberately murdered in the last few months after being arrested by our police? Have you, being in some slight way honest, publicly stated that all the bodies of Jews apparently killed by the Nazis, must be assumed to have died of old age. (Fortunately for lying, racist Nazi filth like you most of the bodies don’t exist which you must find a great convenience.)
Craig, everywhere you look, you see Nazis.
“… will also wish to apologise for … ”
Anyone else see a recurring theme?
Admit it Neil, you either hate Muslims or you’ve been unknowingly sucked up into Stormfront’s world and that of their little brother, the BNP. These sibling disagree about Jews and one or two other things, but not much else.
In fact, you could say that the BNP was inspired by New Labour in as much as New Labour made themselves respectable and electable by dropping Clause 4, and the BNP are doing the same by very publicly dropping anti-semitism. Hmmmm?
BTW, aren’t Arabs Semites? No no … don’t answer that Neil … rhetorical. Go to BiasedBBC and please put up a posting as to which News/Media organisations are not Camel-loving Librul Nazis. They seem to link to Sky News, but I don’t remember them reporting on this “210″ massacre, at least not in a big way.
If I’ve tallied correctly, Neil, you would like:
Apologise, apologise.
Retract, retract, retract.
There y’are. Simples. Moving on …..
No Neil, I haven’t read your blog. I haven’t read it because a team of linguistic archaeologists would be required to make sense of your atrocious writing. I’ve tried to read your blog, really I have. But what meaning I can actually extract from it seems to be a self-contradictory sack of space nerd dreaming, fisher-price economic miracles and spittle-flecked ranting at everyone who’s ever upset you.
Oh, I know what’s coming next, Neil. You’ll say that by not reading every word of your blog I can’t possibly know that you’re wrong and that makes me some kind of
But Neil, you probably think your postman is a racist lying Nazi, and any traffic warden who tickets your car is a racist lying Nazi and some bloke who once coughed behind you but you’re not quite sure whether it was a cough or him muttering “cock” under his breath is a racist lying Nazi. And the reason I can say with certainty that nothing on your blog exceeds the level of nutjob brainfart is because you brand anyone you disagree with a racist lying Nazi. It’s a classic sign of Internet Insanity.
So carry on Neil. Froth at the mouth all you like. Carry on imagining that your passion gives weight to your arguments, when really all it does is signpost that they can be safely ignored as the rantings of a mad man. Carry on fighting for the imaginary justice you demand, never understanding that the main obstacle to it is you.
Oh man, not a couple of minutes after writing that do I find Barney Frank making a similar argument against another loon who thinks anything she disagrees with is the act of nazis.
So Neil, with Barney Frank’s help we can now definitively identify you as a wasp-monkey-duck-dining room table. Clearly a genetic hybrid that could have come only from the laboratories of the infamous Doctor Josef Mengele. Who’s the nazi NOW, Herr Craig?
You can wait until your dick falls off, for all I care, you pompous basket-case.
It’s quite worrying that Nearly is now commenting on the main threads. I’m sure he thinks he totally gets what’s going on.
Now the RSS feed for comments on here is blahed out for all comments, but the web page isn’t. What gives?
Do you remember the final scene of Animal Farm; when the animals were looking through the farmhouse window at the pigs and the men having dinner together? And the outside observers couldn’t tell the difference between the two? The pigs and the men, who began as polar opposites, had merged into one group.
It’s getting a bit like that in here now. I’ve watched this thread with amusement, but the obsessiveness with which you are still chasing Neil’s nonsensical garbage is beyond rational. You can’t pin his willo-the-wisp arguments down. He is uprooted from the world and you know it. But still you doggedly write miles and miles of posts pointing out this and refuting that, ignoring the fact that it is a total waste of time.
You are starting to resemble him.
Messing, the Arabs-are-Semites thing is not very helpful when talking about the term “anti-semitism” given that it means and always has meant Jew-hatin’. I tend to use “Judaeophobia” precisely to avoid getting into that since it’s a bit of a head-against-brick-wall exercise.
That said, I’m still reading this thread so anything I say about not beating heads against brick walls is obviously hypocritical nonsense.
fp, I’ll never be lucky enough to look like Neil. Alas.
funny peculiar… are you saying that Animal Farm is Returning for Real?
It’s the self aware computer. It developed taste.
I note that the first RSS comment that is blahed was by “Messing With Neil’s Head”. I assume it’s an attempt to blah only him, as was suggested some time ago. However, instead of blahing only him on the main web page (and presumably in the RSS comments feed), it’s blahed everyone on the RSS comments feed and no-one on the web pages.
@FP: Don’t despair. I know I’ll never persuade him of ‘owt. But sometimes, just sometimes, it’s fun to play with him. Bored of him now.
I’ll give Neil this much though: I don’t reckon he’s a frothing bigot. I don’t reckon he *really* hates anyone. I reckon he’s just got caught up into the BNP’s world-view of certain matters. If Neil honestly thought the BNP were more for hate than justice, he’d recoil from them.
That’s the full majesty of my Internet Ad-Hoc Reckon.
@Chris: That quote from Kurt Vonnegut (Mother Night, if I remember): I’ve often thought exactly the same thing, by which I mean based on the same KV source, about Melanie Phillips. Now this is nopt going to win me any friends here, and I MUST point out that I cannot bare to read her internet uber-hate, but most times I hear her on the radio, I usually find her quite reasonable, if a little confrontational …. BUT, here comes the missing tooth: get her onto Israel or Islam ::: BANG goes the cog in her head as that missing tooth is … erm … missed. She has an absolute blind spot for not seeing her own bias and bigotry. That woman dispises anything with cous-cous, and you get the Melanie that we all know and hate.
And Craig is a bit like that, but with less innate intelligence and a different trigger.
You probably know, Phillips used to write for the Guardian. So did Julie Burchill. They both left because they accused the Guardian of rabid anti-Semitism. Neil’s effectively opted out of rational thought because he believes in…
…well, I’m not quite sure. But it must be pretty fucking tragic when you can’t even run to the Daily Mail to have your views shored up.
Loved the link kelvin, thanks, nice to see some sanity in politics.
This link is taken from Neil Craig’s 9%Growth party’s video archive. It shows the moment Neil discovers he has been banned from Wikipedia for obssesive and abusive behaviour relating to his political views.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYvldOuZ6_k&feature=related
Kelvin Aka’s revolving series of lies turns again
“Having actually read my blog
No Neil, I haven’t read your blog.”
Initially we had his word that though he is a lying racist turd he honestly believed that 210 murdered bodies wasn’t evidence of a massacre.
Then that, though he is a lying, racist, holocaust denying, racist turd, he accepted that while 210 murdered is a massacre, he honestly doubted, from his examination of the facts, that it had been done by NATO police/KLA.
Now he says that, as a disgusting, lying, holocaust denying, genocidal, Nazi turd he hasn’t even bothered to check out what it has been denouncing.
No wonder every remotely decent human on here has denounced it.
Yep as a corrupt Nazi Beeboid I can confirm that every commenter on here who doesn’t say AKA is a turd is a Beeboid piece of shit.
Yes as a corrupt Beeboid liar who knows global warming is a lie but will say anything for money I know fellow Beeboid Funny Pec shags his dog.
Neil, if the proof was so evident as you claim, why would I need to read your blog? You’d be able to link to it, instead of having to link to partial evidence and making leaps of logic. Why should I assume that the very important evidence hidden away on your blog is anything but longer and more impenetrable versions of the rants you post here?
Anyway, I agree with FP. This is boring. You’re boring. Go and lose some more elections.
As a corrupt racist Beeboid lentil seller I can say fellow Beeboid Chris shags his mother.
Ditto for whomever.
Neil, you should probably log out of your OpenID before you start astroturfing the comments…
Sweet, isn’t it.
And he could have got away with it otherwise; I mean everyone uses key words like “beeboid” and calls me “AKA” even though that’s always been part of your name and never part of mine.
Those pesky kids!
Perhaps the computers became self-aware.
@Ed and Kelvin: He’s getting more and more hysterical. Bless; it’s the illness, you see. That missing tooth on one of the cogs in his brain is causing real havoc with his cognition. Best leave it now, less we read an article on the BBC regarding a Glaswegian Shop Keeper running amok.
lest we read an article
Bollards!
Yes as a corrupt Beeboid liar who knows global warming is a lie but will say anything for money I know fellow Beeboid Funny Pec shags his dog. – Jezza
And everytime I do, I get paid by the BBC in Nazi gold from a Swiss private bank. Rover’s aching chocolate star has paid for my second home.
Marvellous stuff:
George Alibaba = George Alagiah
D’ya get it, eh, eh !?
It’s funny because even though George Alagiah is a Catholic Tamil, he’s … he’s … ha ha ha, he’s brown, just like Ali Baba. You know … the Arab, Forty Thieves. They’re both brown: Marvellous stuff!!! And … and … and … he works for … yes … AlBeeb. You couldn’t make it up.
Remember, George Alagiah works for the racist, Nazi BBC. So that makes him a racist by association. So it’s not racist to call him by a stereotypical name for a race that he’s not even part of, just because he has skin of a similar hue to them.
Yeah, those dark-skinned racists! I hate them so much I might move to Glasgow and lose the ability to think and speak coherently.
Well, apparently Neil does have more than one personality… and curiously enough, they all think they’re BBC journalists. It’s comforting to know that, like the ‘host’ personality, they’re all delusional in some part.
Of course, as anyone who did A level psychology will know (that is, anyone who did it in 2000 or before will know, because these days A levels are just too easy and you’re a thick cunt if you do well or learn anything) multiple personality disorder is often a result of abuse. This lends credence to the theory that Neil was abused by Andy Kadir-Buxton as a child.
My logic is unbreakable. If you try and take it apart, you’re a racist.
By the way Neil, I didn’t think that you were actually a racist until I read the latest pile of dog-wank you spurted out up there. Now I’m pretty sure you are, and best of all, there’s actual evidence to prove it.
Do I have your word you are pretty sure of that Chris?
It seems we already have your word that there is nothing wrong with lying in every direction to protect Nazis committing genocide.
Not impressed by your word.
Me neither.
Incidentally the other DG was a fake – really, though you apparently never noticed.
No-one cared. I still don’t care, I just don’t have much to do this time of night.
I like your latest leap of logic, by the way. And the real BBC are on here and taking names, remember. I’m up for a giant reward for being a liberal pussy with an education – although it’s actually because I willingly decided to become another cog in the machine.
You, you’re going to get your balls cut off by Jonathan Ross. Then Graham Norton will rub shit into the admittedly tiny wound. That’s what you get when you fuck with the man.
The rule still applies about signing out of your OpenID too. It just makes you look like a cunt. I mean, more of a cunt. I mean… whatever, you’re just a cunt.
I expect it’s technomologically beyond him. You know what would wind him up most? Just not responding. Deny him the oxygen of oxygen.
So if the name Alibaba is automatically racist, as in all the pantos, then misuse of my name makes most here racist. That means it is cos I is Scottish rather than cos none of you “liberal cunts with an education” can actually string together an honest or coherent point.
Let the ignoring begin.
Heyup Neil. I was just pondering some important questions and it occurred to me that you probably have the answers already. Can you help me? Here they are:
1) Which AI is the best current AI? How long will it be before an AI can make up a new dance to go with a song. Not like the dances those Sony or Honda robots do… I mean a dance that REALLY goes with the song, like Whigfield’s one for “Saturday Night”. Remember it? It somehow just “fits” in a way that I wouldn’t expect Wolfram Alpha to understand.
2) How much Iranium do I need to make a nuclear reactor? Oh, and if I wanted to have a glass window to view the reactor core through, how thick would it have to be and how can I stop it sooting up? Can I used normal glass? And how many horsepowers would it give off if I put a whole sack of Iranium in at once?
3) Is it ok to like “Total Wipeout USA” more than the UK version?
Thanks!
Ahh, I’m a titmonkey…. you just do not get it, I don’t give two fucks about transplanting organs in to foreign nationals, British people of every colour or creed, what I resent about this story is we’re “selling” donated organs. I repeat selling donated organs at a profit. I can’t be arsed explaining how shit that is and to be honest I think silly buggers like you wouldn’t bother to care to understand anyway….. whatever, fuck off
Martyn, only a total prick would think selling freely donated organs for profit is acceptable. We don’t need beating over the head with your conscience to realise that.
But… this ain’t a debating webisite. If you want serious and worthy debate, you’ve come to the wrong place. Asshat
Nelson
1 – When we pass the Singularity – prob abouit 20 years.
2 – Iranium being a non-existent material you would require an infinite amount.
3 – yes so long as you don’t do it in public & frighten the horses.
Martyn I’m sure you are but what is your ethical position if they are not donated but stolen? Is it all right to pay then?
Martyn: Don’t get sucked in. I promise that it’s not worth it.
Neil: ∞ * 0 ≠ ∞. Ignoramus.
Says you, Neil. Afghanistan has the richest deposists of iranium ever discovered. That’s why we invaded. (Ironically, Iran does not have afghanistanium deposits) Your belief that Iranium doesn’t exist is sad but compelling proof of a massive conspiracy. The more you deny it, the more evident the conspiracy becomes.
Would you like dozens of references to places on the internet where I’ve tried to explain Iranium’s existence, as proof that I’m right? And don’t try to defend yourself by showing me that propaganda mockery; The Elements Table. If you believe that neo-nazi filth, you’ll believe anything.