Red Hot Vigilante Crimefighting
By KelvinA man has been jailed for pushing a woman on railway tracks at Farningham Road Station just because she asked him to stop smoking. What a sad indictment of Broken Britain. These mindless thugs think they can get away with – wait, the bitch asked him to stop smoking? GIVE THAT MAN A MEDAL!
Thanks to Jo, who spotted these quotes at the time.
Good. It’s about time this Nazi behaviour induced by propaganda, lies, behavioural manipulation, poisoning and psychology…. was confronted head on and stopped now before this Government, and the one above it, lead the Lemmings over the Cliff… for a laugh! Wake Up! You are Programmed!
Rob O’Loughlin, Presteigne UK
And the only way to break that programming is to push innocent women onto live railway tracks. Damn that sinister illuminati for not wanting us to attempt murder on anyone who asks us to do things we don’t like. Don’t they know that Hitler lived by exactly the same principles?
I hope the two men never get caught, She is trying to help police society be enforcing fascist rules. The European Charter on Human Rights gives us the right to freedom of expression which smoke falls under. First the government deny us our rights with their tyrannical laws and now the people are trying to enforce them.
James Cochran, Bradford, England
It’s all about the Human Rights here. Infringe someone’s made-up right to smoke, and you’re subject to their equally made-up right to try and kill you. Similarly if an immigrant tries to deny you the freedom of expression to beat him with a stick, you can make up the right to beat him with a stick.
It’s like my grandma always said, “there’s a fine line between righteousness and self-righteousness.” Being a vigilante can lead to unpleasantness, so be sure you’re big enough to take the weight if you decide to go that way.
Azhid Madrors, California
Has anyone else seen the latest issue of Batman? It’s brilliant, first of all he uses his batarang to climb up to the 37th floor of an apartment building. Then he sneaks into the elevator shaft and waits until he hears someone flip open a zippo. Then he uses his bat-polite-voice to point out that the person’s in a shared lobby and there are no-smoking signs up. Of course, Batman was trained in tibetan martial arts so he can take that kind of risk. If you’re a woman you should probably just cower in a corner.
I can believe that people cannot see the effect that nonsensical rules and busybodies are having on the UK.
The argument started because of someone trying to enforce something that is clearly nonsensical and was allowed in this country for more than 178 years.Farningham road station is not Oxford Circus, its in the middle of nowhere,
The risk to the railway system from someone smoking on an open platform in the middle of nowhere is zero. The platforms are made of non combustible materials and new trains manufactured to BS6853 are also impossible to burn with a cigarette.If the smoking is offending someone they can move.
I am a non-smoker and I don´t condone what these guys have done, but there does need to be some defiance of the governments stupid rules by somebody.
Fred, Singapore
Bang on Fred. If you don’t like governments passing silly laws on what habits you can express in public, you can go somewhere nice and permissive like Singapore. Well I can’t because I work for Wrigley’s, but in principle, y’know?
140 Responses to “Red Hot Vigilante Crimefighting”
I’d like to give Fred, Singapore a round of applause for the fact he knows a lot about the fumes from trains and yet absolutely nothing about basic human decency.
Of course, we all know the tobacco industry would never try any of these tricks. What a load of BS6853.
Rob O’Loughlin never figured out how to assign his lemmings the “blocker” skill.
Women squirrels asking men squirrels to stop smoking acorns, what next, asylum seeking cats asking white squirrels to stop drinking in accordance with Sharia law. Grasshoppers laying down with Rock Hyraxes, all filmed by the Daily Mail who were tipped off by a social worker at a press conference. Wake up sheeple (represented in this terrible metaphor by dogs, rather than sheep) before its too late and we end up with Grasshopper-Rock Hyrax hybrids supporting teetotal cats in cutting the hands off smoking squirrels!!! And other bizarre leaps of logic to try to justify the fact that I hate brown people!!!
This post’s been Kelvinated™!
I also thought that there was a basic human right to well, be alive and not have someone try to murder you for saying something reasonable to them, but I am a woman, so instead of trying to get my tiny, feeble mind around such complex issues, I should just be glad no-one’s train-pushing me to an early grave for having the temerity to expect others to follow simple and reasonable rules.
(Am actually quite worried now – I tackled our neighbours the other day about smoking in the communal areas of our no-smoking apartment block – the chavvy cunts* – and we also live quite near a railway line. SHIT)
*They also have loud, freaky-sounding S&M sex sessions** late at night. That’s entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand, but I just wanted to slag them off a bit more. Twatbaskets.
**Fucko, the tape’s in the post.
There should be a comma after the ‘to’ in the first line. Am off to the railway line right now; it’s the decent thing to do.
I’ve been programmed to not massively over-react to slighty bossy women and to have an aversion to shoving people under trains in an uncontrolled violent tantrum. Damn they’ve fucked me up bad.
How does one “express” oneself by smoking? Semaphore with a fag in each hand? Paintings from ash? Butts arranged into Chinese ideograms?
Oh. Smoke signals. Forget I said anything.
“alowed for more than 178 years”
Not 182
Not 174
No, “more than 178 years”, which might of course be 183!
My brain hurts.
“The platforms are made of non combustible materials and new trains manufactured to BS6853 are also impossible to burn with a cigarette.”
Fred, Singapore
Fred; fuck off, fuck off, and fuck off.
I hope one day a whore in Singapore (chosen for rhyming reasons), puts out a cigarette on your ball bag.
That is all.
Surely these independantly spirited young men were merely engaging the Kadir-Buxton Method of Smoking Complainant Appeasement?
And all 578 pages of twatbasketry downloadable for free at the author’s website too.
When David Cameron gets into power, I am going to light up a big fat cigar and pretend it’s the genitalia of a powerful Glaswegian dock worker. With his calloused hands on the back of my soft, inbred skull he would guide the strokes of my soft, girlish lips. And as he emptied his lower-class gift into my eager mouth I would feel a secret shudder of ecstasy at the thought of what my old friends from public school would think if they could see me now. Oh wait, I can ask them, they’re over there getting the same service from his friends. It’s just like being in the changing room after a game of sevens all over again!
Nice!!!
Cameron is NuLabour love
Kelv/ whoever
With your excellent twatwash you’ve me made look even dafter than I already was but frankly it’s a price well worth paying.
It’s no worse than neutering cats is it?
Me twat, in different way to Tim.
@Fish
If James Cochran expresses himself by smoking I’m hoping that when he’s really angry he’ll spontaneously combust.
I find we just don’t stab enough ‘elf-and-safety, do-gooder types in the face these days. If you’ve forgotten your freedom knife, then you can just shove ‘em under a train.
That’ll learn the politically correct brigade. Bravo!
My fridge is a Kelvinator.
True story.
Do you ever notice that tedious pricks stored in it become highly entertaining, if left long enough?
I’m not sure, I’ve been told that you can’t open it from the inside so I’ve never tried…
In other news, a gay goldmine has just opened on Times Online.
Equal, but not too equal.
Quite disappointed by that link – I was imagining an actual gay goldmine, like that episode of the Simpsons where Homer tries to keep Bart straight by taking him to a gay steel works.
Of course, being a stoner, I tend to relate everything to cartoons.
… like this story for example
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7043884.ece
Reminds me of Much Apu About Nothing when the people of Springfield want the Bear patrol but don’t want to pay the Bear Tax.
Quimby: “Are these people getting louder, or just dumber?”
Aide: “Er, dumber sir.”
So, um, I guess that makes me the tedious prick around here. Off to the fridge…
It’s a bit harsh, shoving someone on to the tracks just because they asked you to stop smoking, but I did hear the chap was a forrin, so the smoking and the shoving was really just a smoke screen to arrest a forrin for any reason and bang him up till his deportation order comes through.
See the immigration folk are doing their job.
See what I did there?..no, ok toggling up the duffle coat as I type.
Ah, thanks for selecting this piece, Kelvin. As the Forum Thicko, I find it quite easy to understand. A couple of self-centred twats pushed a lady, possibly to an early death, for the crime of reminding them of the importance of consideration for others.
In terms of rated power, these two guys clock in at around 500 Kt (kilotwatts).
So exactly how long then?
I always wanted to know which British (not English) standard trains were made to. Thanks.
You would never forget it it you were a Sikh.
For any train fans:
BS6853:1999
Title of Standard Code of practice for fire precautions in the design and construction of passenger carrying trains
ISBN 058028249 X
Date of Publication 15/01/99
Approx Pages 48
Description Railway vehicles, Railway coaches, Fire safety, Safety measures, Railways, Passenger transport, Passengers, Classification systems, Underground railways, Fire spread prevention, Electrical equipment, Electric cables, Electric wires, Internal combustion en
Cross references NF X 70-100, DD 246, BS 476-4, BS 476-6, BS 476-7, BS 476-15, BS 476-20, BS 476-22, BS 4066-3, BS 5438:1989, BS 6387, BS EN 3, BS EN 50200, BS ISO 4589-2, BS EN ISO 4589-3:1996, BS ISO 5659-2, BS ISO 9239-1, prEN 2824, prEN 2825, prEN 2826, NF X 70-100
International Equiv (If Applicable )
Replaces Standards : BS6853:1987
Replacement Notes
It’ll make a nice supplement to the next issue of Razzle.
Wow, I just looked up BS6853 online. Check this out:
34.1 The carriage body shall not be capable of being burned with a cigarette.
I read quite a lot of standards in my job and it seems a bit silly, this. What about cigars, butane lighters, pipes etc.? Rollups? British Standards ain’t wot they useter be.
As a smoker and an occasional train user, I too am aware of BS6853.
Statute BS6853, in relation to Train Fire regulations:
“I once found Brian May’s anus in a packet of Onion Rings. So I decided to use it as my opinions”
End Entry.
Surely the part of BS6853 which relates to a trains non combustibility in the presence of an actively smouldering cigarrette is superfluous as smoking is not allowed on trains.
Trains should be made from tissue paper soaked in high solvent based varnish.
Can I have my anus back, please? I’m dying for a shit.
Thanks
……except for steam trains.
Damn. Brian May’s anus interrupted my consecutive posts!
Have to get my two-penneth in here – the woman who asked the guy to stop smoking was a complete bitch about it – it wasn’t as simple as ‘Can you stop smoking please?’, what she actually said was a sarcy, ‘Stop that; I don’t like the smell of cancer.’
Of course it’s not reasonable to push her in retaliation but from what I’ve read her falling onto the tracks was not intentional – in fact the man and his brother helped the woman back onto the platform. Yes the man overreacted but he was not trying to kill her.
Sorry to go all serious on SYB but I do think the level of incivility displayed by the woman in this story was totally unreasonable.
I bet she didn’t even say thank you for being set right in her stupid female opinions, the bitch.
Anyway, it’s all a big conspiracy and anyone with half a brain knows that smoking actually extends your life – it’s all a massive NuLiarbore ruse to make us die quicker and prevent a massive deficit due to pensions and elderly care. Wake up, people! Methinks.
`Stop that! I don’t like the smell of cancer!’
I must admit that, if somebody uttered those words within my hearing, I would want to push them under a train. But instead I would probably just mutter some misanthropic remark under my breath.
Guess I picked the wrong week to quit smoking squirrels.
I don’t like the smell of success, and I demand my right not to smell it!
@[NutterBrackets], never smelt success, what does it smell like? Is it the smell of a sweaty banker covered in Paco Raban for men?
Success smells of cancer.
You missed off the smiley that tells us that you were being ironic.
…which is a bit like the smell of Paco Raban and red braces.
@Cheb Gobbi
Ah, but this changes things entirely. Now it transpires that she was “asking for it”!
It was probably left off ironically.
Cheb, my wife enquires. If she sees a flasher with his tackle out, what is the polite way to request he re-holsters it? Only she’s worried that shouting “put it away you pervert” means “come and get me big boy” now. She’s checked Debrett’s but it doesn’t appear to cover the situation.
erm. Am I a ByB SyB trainspotter for my sense of Deja vu over a year on?
http://blahyourbranes.invisionplus.net/?mforum=blahyourbranes&showtopic=64
Looks like it was much more than a violent assault though – it’s all out war on those railtracks
I love the way the prosecution managed to present a belated and insufficient attempt to rectify the situation into a further act of murderous aggression.
If someone assaulted me and then helped me to my feet I’d have nightmares FOREVER.
@Kelvin
I didn’t make that comment. But I do think flashing someone is completely different to smoking on a train platform.
First they came for the smokers, and I pushed them off a railway platform, for I had a violent temper…
@Mr Cat
Reading that, it sounds like they may have actually dragged her to the platform to give her more of a hiding, and possibly nicked her phone into the bargain, so I’ll stand corrected.
My point earlier was simply to state that I find the condescension and rudeness directed at smokers to be more than a little over the top a lot of the time; there’s really no need to talk about the ‘smell of cancer’ when ‘do you mind putting that out? This is a no smoking area’ will suffice. I never meant to imply in any way that she deserved to be pushed onto train tracks but there was absolutely no need to be all self-righteous and preachy at someone just because he likes a tab now and again.
Anyway I’ll say no more on the matter – people get blah filtered for less.
I know you didn’t make that comment, I was picking up HYL’s point. But what you did do was equate her tone and Rapisca’s act by describing them as “unreasonable.” So what I think would be handy here is a sliding scale of “reasonableness” depending on the act.
I’ll open the bidding:
Witnessing a murder – “Hey! You there! Stop that! That murdering you’re doing! Stop it right now!”
Catching someone trying to pickpocket you on the tube – “I say old bean, that’s not cricket” but in a low voice so no-one else hears.
Spotting a flasher – “That’s a frightfully lovely set of mummy-daddy vegetables, jolly good show to you. But I do wonder if you might, you know, cover up so as not to scare the horses.”
Seeing someone smoking in a no-smoking area – “{tug forelock} ‘scuse me, squire, I hope you don’t mind me asking, but I don’t know if you know, it’s sort-of a little bit not-allowed to smoke here. I don’t wish to impose on you but do you think you might give some thought to puttin’ it out some time in the near future, or would it help if I just threw myself on the train tracks to save you the bother? Awfully sorry to impinge on your time and all, sir.”
I hope that once we have this scale in place it will be far easier to determine whether a violent reaction to being asked to obey the law is “unreasonable” or “unjustifiable.” Thank you for your time.
That’s curious, because as it happens I find the selfishness and rudeness directed at non-smokers to be more than a little over the top a lot of the time. People who whinge their heads off about not being able to indulge in a substance they got themselves addicted to, releasing carcinogens into the atmosphere where there are laws prohibiting it, when simply shutting up and having a little bit of consideration for people who don’t live for the smell of burning tobacco would suffice. Still, somehow I manage to avoid shoving them onto live railway tracks. I must be some kind of martyr.
Speaking as a murderous pickpocket with a cigarette in his mouth and no trousers on, I don’t think I’m qualified to make those distinctions.
erm
I wasn’t expressing an opinion – please don’t draw me into debate on here – my comments are a complete aside from any other noises
Although I may also say that I pre-empted Philberts comment by a good 14 months too.
Anyone else hear an old Victoria Wood joke in this?
Dunno, but I think this is due a link for anyone who hasn’t seen it (you all will have):-
Ed Bryne on smoking
@Mr Cat
I hereby promise you 50% of my income derived from use of that joke in perpetuity – I don’t think either of us want a lengthy court battle.
I’m a smoker, and if someone asks me not to smoke near them in public, even in a smoking area, I tend to take the radical action of saying ‘sure, no problem’.
Similarly, if I was sitting in a bus station letting of an air horn every two minutes or so, and somebody asked me if I’d mind doing this somehwere else, then i’d probably oblige too.
I can also understand the impoliteness directed at smokers in this situation, considering if anybody from the local cult (Jesus Army, google them, they rock) asks me if I’d ‘like to stop and talk about Jesus,’ then I’m likely to reply with a short, sharp ‘fuck off’.
But then, I am a bit of a push-over like that.
Oh no he didn’t!
“lead the Lemmings over the Cliff… for a laugh”
It’d be even more tortuous if he were singing “mistletoe and wine” at the same time
And chuggers. Fuck, I hate chuggers.
Even more than I hate the rest of humanity.
Just a quick nod to john Adair’s Gerbil for;
Awesome.
The lady’s story seems to suggest she was violently thrown onto the railway tracks because she was being an annoying cow. However, I have seen the lady before at a station near where I live. She was half-naked, using her breasts to rub linseed oil into the tracks.
She got particularly excited as a train drew near.
I’m fairly certain she provoked the men into pushing her for her own sexual gratification. That guy was practically raped.
Since when has smoke had Human Rights? It’s B&H gone mad!
Stop being so sexist, you manarchist!!1
Try a velvet goldmine instead.
The thing I like best about this story is that the bloke was so incensed by the “smell of cancer” remark that he waited until the next day to throw the woman in question onto the train tracks.
It’s esprit d’escalier gone very wrong indeed.
Right, let’s see if I can reconstruct the fantastic and very deeply philosophical post that just vanished into some internet vortex from memory…
Since I seemed to have lent a touch of incendiaryism to the proceedings with my “asking for it” comment, I feel I should enlarge (oo-er, missus). See, many victims do indeed “ask for it”, and to say otherwise is to claim that a victim cannot under any circumstances contribute to their situation. If this case has been reported correctly [which isn't always the case, as anyone who has been involved in something that ended up in the news will attest] then the woman was antagonistic, and she should have thought before she spoke.
Also, I think Cheb is right that flashing is different from smoking. One is active, the other is passive. Yes, Kelvin, your reactionary scale is very funny but in practice it may not be possible to arrive at such a scale in real life. Those of us who grew up not being the toughest kid in the class know, better than most, that if you’re going to produce a weapon (such as your voice) then you’d better know how to use it.
Not wishing to condone what the two men did in response – they would have done far better not to rise to it; after all, now the cops are looking for them, which is hardly what they had in mind. But you know, if you don’t want to get burned…
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I’m a smoker, and if some woman said to me ‘I don’t like the smell of cancer’ I’d try to exact a retort along the lines of ‘best close your fetid legs then eh luv?’ It’s always after the fact that you think of what you should have said – or think that you perhaps shouldn’t have pushed her onto a live railway line.
Where there’s smoke though…
Shackleton, I’ve been trying to think of a suitably witty retort since I first heard about this story. You win.
Hmmm, the woman may have been an annoying twat, that undoubtedly votes Tory and reads the Daily Telegraph (and for these two crimes I COULD perhaps condone killing her) however, for the ‘smell of cancer’ comment I do feel that, at worst, a ‘fuck off’ may have sufficed.
If the suggestion is that those that voice a sarcy opinion should be prepared for retribution to the degree of death, then Kelvin & Nelson et al will need to keep away from train lines for a very long time!
@Shackleton
Ah, think of the story that would have made. “Sassy lass gets taste of own medicine from spunky smoker.”
Now lads, don’t all rush to reply…
The reason this story is being talked about again is that the man in question was not just found by the police, but convicted of s20 GBH and sentenced to four years’ custody. Do try to keep up at least a little.
@Ed
I do apologise, I had thought the story was current and not the conclusion after 18 months. Also, from the lady’s own comments in the article you linked, I do wonder if the original report (the “smell of cancer”) was correct.
But I digress. Another reason I’m replying is I’ve just realised that another anagram of Cuger Brant is Graber Cunt.
It’s political correctness gone mad people. Methinks. …Or is it?
Wait, which is which? Is the passive one the one where you expose the people around you to your tackle because you enjoy the feeling, or is the passive one the one where you expose the people around you to known carcinogens because you enjoy the feeling?
Oh. Really? Because I meant it as a serious suggestion rather than attempting to satirise the notion that a certain level of impoliteness in a given situation might justify a violent assault. I did.
And those of us who decided that we wouldn’t allow the law of the playground to hold true in adult life know that cowering from a bully gives the bully power. There seems to be precious little recognition of the fact that this woman actually had quite a lot of balls to stand up to two larger men and ask them to stop doing something that – if they had been obeying the rules of polite society the way everyone seems to expect the woman to have been – they shouldn’t have been doing in the first place.
Absolutely. And if you don’t want to get raped then don’t go out looking like a woman who occasionally has sex. What’s so controversial about common sense, eh?
My fault. I should have put something in the article about it being the conclusion. Thinking back, I could even have started it with the words “A man has been jailed…” I guess my opaque prose claims another victim.
@Kelvin
Fair point about the balls, I’ll take that on the chin. (Christ, I’ve just reread that… no, I think I’ll leave it in. I probably deserve it.) I also take your point about the bullying.
By the way, the passive one is smoking. The active one is flashing. (Which didn’t actually happen, incidentally, you made it up as a hypothetical example.) Proof: if you take away the audience, the man will still smoke but the flasher will probably not flash. Unless he’s practicing.
True. If someone smokes near me, then they’re actively getting smoke on me. If someone gets naked near me, I don’t have to wash my hair and clothes afterwards (unless the flashing was all part of taking a very clumsy leak in public).
Take away the no-smoking signs and I’m not bothered about people smoking, because I can go somewhere they’re not allowed to smoke. Seems like choosing to smoke in a no-smoking area is just as deliberate a choice.
Um, well, I was actually answering your original question, i.e. which is active and which is passive. Right now, I just hope those damn blockquotes work… this is a big step for me, I am after all the Forum Thicko.
Yes! Got it first time! Yes! Yes! BLOCKQUOTES PASS! I AM A BLOCK-QUOTER!!! Haaaaaaaa! How’dya like them apples! Or something.
If you’d been really clever, you could even have put a link to the appropriate news story. 20/20 hindsight, eh?
Latest debate on HYS is “What books would you pass on to the next generation?” Do you think Cuger will have the brass balls to shill his work on this one?
Yes, I understood that. My point is that choosing to smoke in a non-smoking area is actively antisocial, so if we’re going to distinguish between passive ills and active ills, let’s get the context right.
Own up, who is inglishdiginous? http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile/?userid=14365201
Regarding that books thread on HYS:
OOOH! BURN! They’ll be feeling that in the halls of Westminster soon!
But seriously, the book is called Nineteen Eighty-Four, not ’1984′. Cunt.
It’s interesting that this subject has prompted such vigorous debate given that:
a) a small woman told two big blokes to stop smoking in a non-smoking area
b) one of these blokes then physically assaulted woman for being so impertinent, possibly including pushing her off the platform
And we’re debating the rights and wrongs of this? I am FUCKING SPEECHLESS
Nooooo you don’t get it she was a bit IMPOLITE before he physically assaulted her, duh.
Still, Pirate Pete has a point. I mean, fuuuuuuck. What the fuck are we talking about here? It’s like person A throwing stones in person B’s garden and person B going and burning down person A’s house in response, and then persons C, D, E, and F debating it on a forum.
I hereby brand myself a Standard Reactionary Have Your Sayer (in addition to being the Forum Thicko and occasionally filling in as the Token Twat when nobody else is).
So, I gracefully bow out of the debate, my tail hung rather marvellously between my legs, if I do say so myself. I shall say only this in my defence: It’s political correctness gone mad people! Methinks. …or is it? (Did you know that a man’s penis can become literally almost any sea creature?)
… then don’t light a cigarette.
Of course. It’s now smokers versus non-smokers. Freedom lovers versus freedom rapers. Hospital cases versus annoying, healthy people.
Any debate like that is bound to bring out the HYS in all of us. Except the ones who sat there and thought, “Why the fuck are we arguing about this? Cunt was smoking where he wasn’t supposed to.”
All me to rape you all with this one, from the gay goldmine:
I think it’s Cuger’s new identity.
Shit, of course after I’d posted I realised that what I should have said was,
“…and then persons H, Y and S debating it on a forum.”
Ah, l’esprit d’escalier…
Holy all-encompassing mother of fuckology. That Inglishdiginous guy is a fucking gift. From the books thread:
Farm animals and 1884 by Charles Orwell. These books serve as a chilling reminder of what the future could be like if we carry on down the pc socialist route of nu liebour.
I tend to agree with Soulboy. Has to be one of “us” doing the nasty, here. Agent provocateur, and all that. Charles Orwell? Farm Animals and 1884?
Ah yes, Singapore, that bastion of
libertarianism, where you can smoke and drop your litter anywhere, chew gum, put up a satellite dish on your roof, and say what you like about the government without being sued. Not.
Bloody hell, it has gone downhill since I left there!
Next he’ll be complaining about how car drivers are overtaxed, from a country where you have to bid for the right to own a car before paying £40k for a Nissan Micra.
Aw, I’m the “Jo” who sent this in so long ago… I feel honoured.
Saying that because she could have asked them to stop smoking in a non-smoking zone in a slightly more neutral way she kinda in a way sorta just a little bit you know deserved physical violence and a brush with death as a result is just… wrong. Ugh.
I once saw two girls try and set a man on fire after he asked them to stop smoking. We were all on a packed night bus at the time, but the silly man (I think he was FURRIN too, the HORROR of it) obvs didn’t realise that their human right to a fag trumped his illusory, EU-imposed 1984-style right to a smoke-free journey. What an idiot. He totally deserved everything he got.
Fuck it… That’s me. ‘cunt’ is too strong for only anti-social smoking, but I don’t think she did anything wrong… except fluff her lines.
It was a no smoking area and presumably he knew it and therefore was willfully rejecting the community’s wishes.
While we detest the daily mail’s broken britain shit… you have all at times observed sodding awful teenagers/people completely rejecting all social conventions and trampling all over your personal space. And you have all wished you had some form of reasonable social force to control them.
And we have all been in situations where we have attempted to stand up for decent social behaviour (in situations similar to this woman’s) and instead of coming across as calm and reasonable, we’ve fucked it up and come across as tight-arsed and stressed.
What she did was OK by me… all the way.
Thanks, Jo, you’ve set me off again…
Yes, I know it’s wrong. It’s also wrong for a man to get beaten up by a bunch of drunken skinheads if he happens to look in their direction (it happens). It’s also wrong for a woman to be sexually assaulted if she happens to be wearing a miniskirt (it happens). It’s also wrong for a person dressed in black to cross a busy road at midnight and get run over – hold on, maybe they shouldn’t have done that in the first place.
They are different situations, yes. There are (or there seem to be) different rules for different situations, as well. There are also different levels of responsibility involved on the part of the victim in each and every situation. Even if something totally unexpected happens to you, like being mugged in your home, you chose to be in that place at that time. It’s no coincidence that courses in self-defence teach you to anticipate hazards, even when there seem to be none. There is always some responsibility involved on the part of the victim, always. AND YES, THE SMOKER DESERVED A GOOD, HARD KICK IN THE NUTS, WHICH INCIDENTALLY HE GOT, IN JAIL TERMS.
It’s just that I object to victims being cast (and casting themselves) as victims. The word carries so much helplessness with it. Shit, I really have to stop coming here for a while. Sorry, everyone, if I’ve ruined your party.
Ahhh, *thanks* to Cheb’s enlightened take on appropriate reactions, we are now being highlighted on Twitter as a site where Train-Push Twat’s actions are condoned. [outs self even further to Twitter followers - hello Pete!]
Can the next thread be about something like rape or gay-bashing? Because I can’t wait to hear the justifications for those. How about necrophilia? “Well, the filthy dead slag was lying NAKED on the mortuary slab, the pulseless temptress, so it would’ve been an insult to the Mortician’s masculinity not to have defiled her whoreish corpse”.
Maybe we ought to get this guy on here for clarification on moral matters: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-mayor/article-23470426-women-more-troubled-by-bag-theft-than-rape-bnp-candidate-claims.do
As a no-smoker and someone’s who’s actually allergic to cigarette smoke – and someone who’s not an asshat – all of Kelvin’s posts said everything else I have to say on the matter. Seriously, saying she had any culpability in the matter? Beyond The Foil Hat Zone.
I just can’t work out who I hate more, smoking cunts or smug self-righteous anti-smoking cunts.
I’m an occasional smoker. And a cunt, apparently.
@FP – was at the bus stop today when a tarty, chavvy teen mum passed her little kid (no older than 2, at most) her fag to hold whilst she got her bus ticket out ready. She then started screaming and shouting at an old biddy who grabbed it out of the kid’s hand in alarm. She only STFU when me and some bloke also remonstrated with her. Truly, the right to smoke supercedes all others.
It does indeed make you get your Daily Mail on, making thoughts like ‘what is the world coming to?’ and ‘it wasn’t like this when I was young*’ pop into your head unguarded. And you should’ve seen her stripper shoes, the slag. Tsssssk.
*Nonsense, as am hardly old and everyone smoked ‘back in the day’.
@ Have Your Lurk – your argument presupposes that we must all put up with any and all sorts of shit on the off-chance that someone is a scumbag or a menkul and that by expecting everyone to behave reasonably and sanely and only have ourselves to blame if the slightest thing we do triggers them off. Do all women invite sexual assault purely by having vaginas? Because that’s what that sort of illogical argument essentially boils down to – that there is always a reason, however spurious or bonkers, for someone being to blame for what’s done to them. It doesn’t matter what that poor woman said to those men – she had the absolute right to expect that they would NOT attack her, never mind potentially kill her, just because she said something snippy to them.
Oh, and can people stop spelling sarky wrong? That surely deserves a little train-pushing.
I’ll shut up now.
I lied.
@Mal – am not smug, self-righteous anti-smoking cunt, am just an anti-smoking cunt. Aw’ight?
@Spesh
Fair point, and to clarify: in each, eh, transaction as it were, there is a percentage of culpability on each side. In this case (smoker pushes woman onto rails) I’d say the woman contributed to between 5 and 10 percent of the situation. We don’t have just ourselves to blame; we can blame the other guy as well, and rightly. What I am saying is that we all CONTRIBUTE to our situation in some way. Which is pretty piss-poor condolence to the lady who suddenly found herself within French-kissing distance of a 750-volt third rail, obviously. All very well for me to pontificate, etc. etc. As I say, I’m a cunt!
Wait. I’m confused. Are you for or against killing people because they’re … smoking? Stopping you smoking? Oh I am confused.
(There are 108 comments already. That’s no good, I’ve had too much Wolf Blass chardonnay to be able to read any of them.)
@Bit Spesh
Well that’s alright then. If there’s one thing worse than second-hand smoke it’s second-hand self-righteousness.
\me Looks back wistfully to the times when expressing opinions and entering into debates on here was treated with the same amused contempt given to HYS.
Don’t be harsh on Rob – you’re not actually allowed into Presteigne without taking a ‘Certificated Utter Nuttiness Training’ course. They’re all C.U.N.T.s there.
Here’s a fucking stunner by SYB’s favourite Nazi. It’s from HYS’s ‘Your Favourite Book’ thread…
WTfuckingF? *Jaw-Hits-Keyboard* John eine-swie-eine-swie Adair is a David Icke believer! HAHHAHAAHHAAHHHHAAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA
fuckin’ glorious!
@Have Your Lurk
Thicko. Cunt. And troll. Sorry to feed you.
@Can’t stand it any more
Thicko, cunt: Guilty as charged.
Troll: NOT FUCKING GUILTY, MATE. I BELIEVE THIS SHIT. I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I AM BEING FUCKING SINCERE HERE.
G’night all.
Hey let’s be topical, all you victims-share-some-part-of-the-blame guy(s?): what percentage of blame did Jamie Bulger share for his appalling demise?
Did you sit watching footage of the aftermath in Haiti thinking ‘Weeeell, the stupid bastards shouldn’t live in Haiti if they didn’t want to lose all their familes and everything they owned’?
I might be an anti-smoking cunt, but at least I’m not a Total Cunt.
You are.
Like I said earlier, sorry, everyone, if I’ve ruined your party.
And Spesh, I think you might’ve convinced me with Jamie Bulger. Thanks.
@Bit Spesh – didn’t you read, ‘victim’ is the wrong term to use. I mean, when that woman was nursing her broken wrist and going through the flashbacks and nightmares of PTSD, she was just casting herself in the role of victim. Asking for it, in other words. Again.
If only people didn’t have such willingness to be victims, they probably wouldn’t continue to suffer for the things they partially brought on themselves in the first place.
@Bawheid – you’re so right. Why, if the perpetrators weren’t forrins, I’d feel so dreadfully,dreadfully sorry for them being forced to attack that evil cow over nothing.
Wot Daley said.
This all seems a bit serious chaps. I’ve brought a poem!
Felis Cattus, is your taxonomic nomenclature,
an endothermic quadruped carnivorous by nature.
Your visual, olfactory and auditory senses
contribute to your hunting skills, and natural defenses.
I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations,
a singular development of cat communications
that obviates your basic hedonistic predilection
for a rhythmic stroking of your fur, to demonstrate affection.
A tail is quite essential for your acrobatic talents;
you would not be so agile if you lacked its counterbalance.
And when not being utilized to aide in locomotion,
it often serves to illustrate the state of your emotion.
O Spot, the complex levels of behaviour you display
connote a fairly well-developed cognitive array.
And though you are not sentient, Spot, and do not comprehend,
I nonetheless consider you a true and valued friend.
@Cab Grunter – yeah, quoting Data should really calm things down a bit..
Blah. I bum squirrels. Blah.
You’re all cunts.
I’m reclaiming the word cunt. Also nigger and Paki.
I’m just reclaiming words. Last week I reclaimed alimentary, and next week I’m going for the set by reclaiming digestion.
My final aim is to reclaim land.
Mmmm, that all got a little heated, for the record I smoke like a coal fired power station-however I can read no smoking signs and therefore don’t when told not to.
I don’t carry out random acts of violence on people who request I follow,what are fairly sensible rules.
I rarely use the ‘C’ word as I keep it for times when no other word will do (not that I find it offensive).
I enjoy sitting in my corner watching SYB, but this thread has made me depressed (apart from Adair believing in the prophecies of Saint Ike),could we please have a new thread of monumental twatbasketry for a Friday?
Back to the corner, not happy.
I think it’s clear these blokes waived their right to politeness when they lit up where they shouldn’t have. This complete lack of consideration for others really pisses me off: in an ideal world she would have pushed THEM onto the tracks, the ignorant twats. In practice, I doubt I would have had the guts to tell them (even politely) to stub out, so this woman’s a braver man than me.
Having said that, I’m going to say a few words in defence of Have Your Lurk. I don’t think he’s saying she asked for it; if I’m reading right, he’s just saying she contributed to the outcome, and he’s right: if she’d said nothing at all she’d have been left alone, and if she’d very politely asked them to stop smoking she might have got verbal abuse instead of physical.
The point is that she very bravely took the view that they didn’t deserve politeness and told ‘em straight. She had every right to do that; unlike her, they WERE asking for it and they were 100% in the wrong.
She clearly influenced the outcome with her choice of words: how could she not have done? Where I do disagree with HYL is with his use of the word “culpability”, but I wonder if that was just a poor choice of word.
One of the reasons I like SYB so much is that it’s full of witty, intelligent people* who have relatively similar views (was it Kelvin who described us as being “vaguely liberal” in a recent post?), but I don’t think we should be afraid of expressing controversial opinions. It’s easy to shout down a minority on a site like this, and in some cases it’s well deserved**, but I don’t think it should be the rule. So I do feel a bit sorry for HYL, though I think he is in danger of causing conversations to break out.
Like That Bloke, I found this thread to be slightly depressing, which is a shame, because I think it was a great topic for a post.
Oh well, at least it’s Friday.
* and me
** I’m thinking of John Adair and Neil Craig, obviously.
God, didn’t realise how long and dull my comment was until it went up. Sorry everyone.
Thank Crunchie it’s Friday!
MFH is the voice of reason (we’re all doomed, etc.). Sorry if I contributed to the buzzkill. Will Kadir-Buxton myself in contrition… what? NO! The slapping not the fisting! You lot sicken me.
What Spesh said – sorry for starting the whole mess. Kadir-Buxtoned myself on a ceiling beam this morning which I can only assume is The Powers That Be’s retribution.
@Have your lurk and eat it:
Even if there was something that the victim could easily have done that would definitely have prevented them from becoming a victim, that doesn’t mean they should be expected to do it. It’s up to us all to stop the bullies, and not up to the bullied to keep their heads down.
Now, everybody pat each other on the back in the knowlege that we’re better people for having discussed it.
Except me, I just live in me corner.
Perhaps someone should organise a group hug. ffs.
On a more negative note, in the MPs’ Pay thread http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/03/which_workers_should_get_a_pay.html
So many unanswered questions for poor corum. He specialises in posts littered with unanswered questions, though I haven’t spotted “Why, oh why, oh why?” yet.
Earlier in the same thread, this plaintive cry:
Bless him, he certainly knows what he thinks that he wants, or not, as the case may be.
Thankyou, Cab Grunter, for bringing some important ‘data’ into our lives…
That’s my coat over there – the one with the tribble in the pocket
Why, oh why, oh why oh, why?
Why, oh why, oh why?
Because because because because
Goodbye goodbye goodbye
Why don’t you answer my questions?
Why, oh why, oh why?
‘Cause I don’t know the answers.
Goodby goodbye goodbye.
Why can’t a rabbit chase an eagle?
Tell me why, oh why?
‘Cause the last rabbit that took out and chased after an eagle didn’t come
out so good and that’s why rabbits don’t chase after eagles that’s all I
know about rabbits and eagles?
Because because because.
There is, but his real name is Guyhammed Al-Fawkahs. So you probably won’t like him.
Told you I’d post it. What’s an eighteen month delay where I forgot to write it up between friends?
Good idea. I’ll make it about something nice and uncontroversial. How about religion, terrorism and airport security?
At a distance of 24 hours, I’d just like to apologise for ramming my opinions down everyone’s throats.
And thanks to all for your admirable patience in putting up with my patent bollocks. I guess this was my Have Your Say moment, and for all our sakes I hope I don’t have any more.
I though Cab Grunter’s poem was lovely – especially the end bit.
But then someone said it was Data from Star Trek wot wrote it.
Never mind, I’m drinking loads of wine and it doesn’t matter.
Bye!
If there’s an Oscar for Sad Git of the Forum I reckon I’m up for it, just by checking back here to see if anyone has replied to my apology. Anyway, I’ve just reread the thread, and I’d like to thank the Academy, and especially My Foot Hurts, for defending me.