Curtain Twitchers and Grief Athletes and Outsiders09 Mar 2010 10:48 am
By Kelvin

Thanks to Generalist for this. Oh look, Jon Venables did a drawing when he was ten that isn’t of fairies and ponies like most boys’ drawings are. Quick, think of a comment that expresses how much you love all the precious kiddiwinks!

We should have hung them when they were ten. Killing children is wrong and should be punished by death.

Pritesh Hathalia, Leicester

Ideally the hangman should be eight years old so we can go after him next.

76 Responses to “Internally Consistent”

  1. on 09 Mar 2010 at 11:00 am Felna

    Jon Venables gets hung by Pritesh Hathilia, Pritesh Hathilia gets hung for hanging a ten year old…

    Sounds like a win win situation to me…

  2. on 09 Mar 2010 at 11:01 am Mr Cat

    I’d turn the blah filter on quick if I were you – before people start deconstucting the pic using all the experience gained in their humanities degrees.

    Where is Nelson BTW?

  3. on 09 Mar 2010 at 11:04 am Kelvin

    Where is Nelson BTW?

    Tweaking the blah filter.

  4. on 09 Mar 2010 at 11:04 am Fish

    If he *did* draw fairies and ponies, no doubt he’d be up for hanging for showing “queer” tendencies. You’re meant to like Nintendo and footballers. But in a totally non-homoerotic manner.

  5. on 09 Mar 2010 at 11:18 am Roeby

    Where is Nelson BTW?

    Drawing pictures for the Daily Mail by the look of it.

  6. on 09 Mar 2010 at 11:28 am Shackleton

    Where is Nelson BTW?

    Interesting question indeed… You never seen Nelson and this Jon Venables chap in the same room do you?

  7. on 09 Mar 2010 at 11:30 am Rotwatcher

    You never seen Nelson and this Jon Venables chap in the same room do you?

    Well, not since the trial anyway.

  8. on 09 Mar 2010 at 11:34 am Petpete

    Instead of building the Large Hadron Collider, why not just get Pritesh Hathalia to keep uttering this paradoxical through a loo-roll until a black hole appears at the other end?

  9. on 09 Mar 2010 at 11:52 am Rumpleforeskin

    That picture’s not all that bad (in terms of content, not execution). I did a lot worse when I were a lad and I hardly killed any children…

  10. on 09 Mar 2010 at 11:59 am Kelvin

    Author Blake Morrison, who describes seeing the drawing in his book on the Bulger case, As If, said: ‘The drawing suggests how seeing Halloween deeply disturbed an already deeply disturbed little boy.

    Did something else happen at home to disturb Jon? Was he frightened by Susan’s physical chastisings? The knife wielder in his drawing has breasts.’

    …and a six pack. Was Susan really a transsexual, further deeply disturbing a deeply disturbed boy who was already deeply disturbed? And, if this deep disturbance did deeply disturb him, was this deeply disturbing picture the deeply disturbing result? Have we run out of things to say only 200 words into this article? Never mind, we’re the Mail so we’ll make deeply disturbing things up until the page is full.

  11. on 09 Mar 2010 at 12:02 pm Have Your Sulk

    Whatever.

  12. on 09 Mar 2010 at 12:11 pm Bit Special AKA La Spesh

    I can’t wait to watch Pritesh Hathalia’s new series on BBC Four, outlining the origins of the Holocaust.

  13. on 09 Mar 2010 at 12:13 pm Schroduck

    I’m surprised that the most recommended comment there is actually rather sane (no doubt as soon as I type this, “FILTHY PAEDOS GRR WHY DO I PAY MY TAXES FOR CRIMINALS HANGING’S TOO GOOD FER EM” will receive a massive surge of votes and make me look like a twat).

    Anyway, I’m fairly sure that this Pritesh character is some sort of double-troll, presumably set up by a BNP member particularly conflicted about the presence of funny coloured people in his party.

    since coming to your country I have seen this again and again, the Britsh people are weak innit and so is their justice system. I’n my country this boy would be lynched by the local residents from a peepil tree. You people could learn alot from a more civilised nation like India.

    - Pritesh Hathalia, Leicester

  14. on 09 Mar 2010 at 12:18 pm Kelvin

    I think the Mail might have turned comments off on that story now. I wonder, if I hacked up a script that scraped a comment from every story on the Mail site, did a mad-libs style pisstake of it and posted it somewhere else, would they turn off the comments for all stories? It’d be worth the effort just to deny the BNP one of their favourite circlejerks. I can just imagine the really angry look on one side of Nick Griffin’s face.

  15. on 09 Mar 2010 at 12:19 pm Schroduck

    Also:

    Venables has had his yellow card and now he has has a red one. No more chances no right of appeal next stop the crematorium.

    dave
    bedford UK

    Jon or Terry?

  16. on 09 Mar 2010 at 12:25 pm Dougal

    Clever troll is clever.

  17. on 09 Mar 2010 at 12:33 pm Bit Special AKA La Spesh

    No more chances no right of appeal next stop the crematorium.

    Being burnt alive’s too good for ‘im!

  18. on 09 Mar 2010 at 12:33 pm Bit Special AKA La Spesh

    Doing blockquotes properly is too good for me!

  19. on 09 Mar 2010 at 12:36 pm Charles Exford, Oxton

    To be fair, if Jack Straw leaks Venables’ new identity to Denise Fergus, she can sell her story to the highest tabloid bidder (again) and the swivel-eyed loon fraternity can lynch Venables, thereby saving the Taxpayers’ Alliance lots of money.

    Alternatively, the proletariat may care to learn the difference between “the public interest” and “the public are interested”.

  20. on 09 Mar 2010 at 12:59 pm Cab Grunter

    Rempleforeskin:

    That picture’s not all that bad (in terms of content, not execution). I did a lot worse when I were a lad and I hardly killed any children…

    To kill one child is unfortunate, to kill two looks like carelessness.

  21. on 09 Mar 2010 at 1:00 pm Cab Grunter

    Oh, it’s RUMpleforeskin! Oh, I get it now! It’s like that Central Perk! Hahaha! Can’t believe I just got that!

  22. on 09 Mar 2010 at 1:25 pm Shackleton

    To kill one child is unfortunate, to kill two looks like carelessness.

    And even the defence of carelessness didn’t get Huntley off, did it?

    “They slipped in the bath, guv, ‘onest!”

  23. on 09 Mar 2010 at 1:55 pm Theodore

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/8071865.stm

    The UK really has become the 51st state of America.

  24. on 09 Mar 2010 at 2:01 pm Ugeine

    Killing is wrong and violence is wrong. The only way to teach this is to kill killers and be violent toward violent people.

    That’s why I give my child a good hiding when he hit another boy at his school. I use violence as my solution to teach them not to be violent.

    With parenting skills like mine, I find it amazing that people still raise violent children. How hard is it? Wake up people!

  25. on 09 Mar 2010 at 2:02 pm Ugeine

    If you think that’s bad, you should see how I punish my child when I catch him masturbating.

  26. on 09 Mar 2010 at 2:03 pm Rod Wrongnob

    Of course, it’s all Bottler McClown’s fault (from the Oldest tab):

    Why did they reveal he got sent back to prison in the first place. Was it just another PR stunt by this government? … They can never do anything right.

    … Under labour, more and more people are encouraged through the tax system to lead a selfish, state reliant life. I am fairly convinced that the off-spring from such a chosen lifestyle can lead to a rapid increase in moral breakdown. …

    Welcome to Labour’s engineered society. This is what Gordon and his cronies want so that they can forever remain in power.

    Tit.

    Incidentally, the two figures being stabbed in the picture look to me like Bert and Ernie off of Sesame Street.

  27. on 09 Mar 2010 at 2:13 pm Oxdown Gazette

    @Theodore

    I love this quote:

    “We’ve had a tough couple of months; my mum’s been really ill and it’s comforting to think that if he is there, he’s watching over us.”

    Well seeing as he’s on the inside of the lid, he’s only really watching over your Marmite.

  28. on 09 Mar 2010 at 2:17 pm Roeby

    This is what Gordon and his cronies want so that they can forever remain in power.

    Yes, a devious and ultimately successful strategy as the opinion polls have demostrated for years. Labour’s power will obviously remain unchecked ad infinitum.

  29. on 09 Mar 2010 at 2:31 pm Kelvin

    … Under labour, more and more people are encouraged through the tax system to lead a selfish, state reliant life. I am fairly convinced that the off-spring from such a chosen lifestyle can lead to a rapid increase in moral breakdown. …

    The kind of moral breakdown so aptly embodied by Venables and Thompson, born under the notoriously wooly-liberal welfare state of the Thatcher government. Once the resolutely socialist John Major came to power it was barely more than two years before these two selfish consumers of tax money, reliant on the state for their education and healthcare, decayed far enough to perform their evil deeds. I think it’s pretty clear for all to see that the blame lies squarely at the door of Blair and Brown’s cynical re-election plans.

  30. on 09 Mar 2010 at 2:48 pm Naich

    I was about to write that the Register has nicked your story, even down to the quippage, but according to the time stamps, you nicked it from them. Fair enough. Carry on.

  31. on 09 Mar 2010 at 2:49 pm Jones

    @Theodore

    Knowing my fellow countrymen, the next time something unfortunate plagues the family they’ll be threatening Jesus with being spread on toast and fed to the dog.

  32. on 09 Mar 2010 at 2:49 pm Naich

    I should have added that it’s here:
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/09/mail_comment/

  33. on 09 Mar 2010 at 3:04 pm Cab Grunter

    @Naich

    This was banging around on Twitter yesterday. But I was hoping it would appear here.

  34. on 09 Mar 2010 at 3:10 pm Shackleton

    I was about to write that the Register has nicked your story, even down to the quippage, but according to the time stamps, you nicked it from them. Fair enough. Carry on.

    Not to jump to the defense of Kelvin blindly, but it seems to me he beat them to the punch by 5 minutes – the 10:48 timestamp on this page isn’t correct; all the times on this page are out by an hour.

    Or maybe I’m posting this from one hour in the future? I’m confused.

  35. on 09 Mar 2010 at 3:20 pm Kelvin

    Shackleton’s right (in fact according to the document revision history I finished it at 4:20 yesterday afternoon and scheduled it for this morning), plus Lester’s story didn’t have the line about the 10-year old feedback loop when it was originally published. That appeared suspiciously recently.

  36. on 09 Mar 2010 at 3:20 pm ad ho

    @Theodore
    But according to biblical enthusiast Marco Ponce it’s the fucking long-haired false Jesus. Marmite’s slogan “The growing up spread” obviously refers to the rising of Lucifer and his army of toast-demons.

  37. on 09 Mar 2010 at 3:23 pm Cheb Ghobbi

    Or maybe I’m posting this from one hour in the future? I’m confused.

    It’s them feckin’ Borgs again.

  38. on 09 Mar 2010 at 3:56 pm john Adair's Gerbil

    Wasn’t one hour in to the future Max Headroom?

  39. on 09 Mar 2010 at 4:11 pm Shackleton

    When I speak to women, one hour into their futures usually requires max headroom if you know what I mean! BOOM! BOOM!

    No; Gloves first, or you don’t get a good ‘seal’ against the cold.

  40. on 09 Mar 2010 at 4:12 pm Shackleton

    Christ, seeing that published I actually feel quite ashamed; lucky HYSers don’t have the same level of self-awareness, or Britain would lose every single person in the country that pays taxes.

  41. on 09 Mar 2010 at 4:28 pm Cab Grunter

    The Borg blew up a Starfleet shuttle or two. Max Headroom just tried to steal a Shuttle off the Enterprise. Although he was a time traveller. But a time traveller from the past, not the future! He’d stolen a time-traveller-from-the-future’s time machine to go forward to the 24th century and then sell Data in the 22nd century cos he turns out to be a pirate and everything and Robin Williams was meant to play him but he wanted to play Peter Pan and fight Paedo Hoffman in Hook which was crap really and then there was this thing with a noise and it was loud and I cried.

  42. on 09 Mar 2010 at 4:37 pm Naich

    I stand corrected. Must be these new trousers.

  43. on 09 Mar 2010 at 4:40 pm Roeby

    I’m confused. I thought Max Headroom was a disembodied head that presented a topical music program on Channel4 on Sunday mornings…are you on drugs Cab?

  44. on 09 Mar 2010 at 4:42 pm Ed aka Lurkshire Hunt

    Shackleton, you are both A hero and MY hero.

    All hail the new king!

  45. on 09 Mar 2010 at 5:04 pm Oxdown Gazette

    @ Roeby

    I believe Mr Grunter was referring to the actor Matt Frewer, who played both Max Headroom and a character in the episode of Star Trek he was referring to.

    That doesn’t mean he isn’t on drugs though. I suspect he probably is.

  46. on 09 Mar 2010 at 5:17 pm Kelvin

    I believe Mr Grunter was referring to the actor Matt Frewer, who played both Max Headroom and a character in the episode of Star Trek he was referring to.

    I like that this is maybe the only site on the internet where the Star Trek references are more obscure than the French philosopher references.

  47. on 09 Mar 2010 at 5:27 pm Roeby

    @ Kelvin

    …where the Star Trek references are more obscure than the French philosopher references

    I think you may just have defined hell.

  48. on 09 Mar 2010 at 5:36 pm Philbert

    I think you may just have defined hell.

    Jean-Paul Sartre famously said that hell is other people, but then again, all his mates were French.

    There you go – a French philosopher and an obscure sci-fi reference in one sentence. *blows on fingernails and buffs them on lapel*

  49. on 09 Mar 2010 at 6:02 pm Shackleton

    Jean-Paul Sartre famously said that hell is other people, but then again, all his mates were French.

    There you go – a French philosopher and an obscure sci-fi reference in one sentence. *blows on fingernails and buffs them on lapel*

    And proving Kelvin’s point, I get the French philosophy joke but not the obscure sci-fi reference.

    Will it always be dark in here, up our own arses? Smells kinda funny too.

  50. on 09 Mar 2010 at 6:31 pm Ed aka Lurkshire Hunt

    I didn’t spot it when first posted, but it has to be Red Dwarf, right?

  51. on 09 Mar 2010 at 6:36 pm Bit Special AKA La Spesh

    @Shackleton – MY arse smells of roses and Unicorn glitter, I’ll have you know.

    @Kelvin – that was a level 2 Pasta-Spitter of a comment. Chapeau (just keepin’ the pretension alive, baby)!

  52. on 09 Mar 2010 at 7:15 pm Pirate Pete

    Jeez, that Star Trek reference didn’t seem to be even remotely obscure to me, in fact I remember that character vividly.

    I’ll just stand over here and point the maximum-setting disruptor at my chest, ok?

  53. on 09 Mar 2010 at 7:31 pm Any Rand will do

    @Theodore

    Jesus? It’s not Jesus, it’s Lemmy.

  54. on 09 Mar 2010 at 7:33 pm Kelvin

    I’ll just stand over here and point the maximum-setting disruptor at my chest, ok?

    Oh great, and then what will we do when we need to overload it and cause an explosion in a Jeffries tube?

    Um, I mean, you bunch of sad nerds.

  55. on 09 Mar 2010 at 8:06 pm twopoint6khz

    That comment (as in the one at the top, above all this blurb) is so amazingly stupid/stupidly amazing that it just made my brain implode. Brerhesifdhj3432ewdiuewr3iwur erewofdj fs’d'f;sl59i40riwe0fk/.

  56. on 09 Mar 2010 at 8:55 pm john Adair's Gerbil

    @roeby

    Sunday mornings? Nah, it was on late at night after I rolled in from the pub, pissed.

    Monday-Friday on C4, just after Countdown, I think.

  57. on 09 Mar 2010 at 9:03 pm Any Rand will do

    Linkage FAIL. I meant Lemmy.

  58. on 09 Mar 2010 at 10:50 pm christonabike

    Ah so you’re all assuming that the child would die? Pritesh clearly understands that some children are vampires and won’t die after being killed.

    As to what effect these vampire children may have on house prices- I will wait to see what the Daily Mail has to say about it before commenting rashly.

  59. on 10 Mar 2010 at 12:58 am Roeby

    @ john Adair’s Gerbil

    Possibly….. I may be thinking of the Chart Show.

    @ La Spesh

    MY arse smells of roses and Unicorn glitter

    Oh, are Lush selling suppositories now? Do the sparkly bits still amass in your pubes though?

  60. on 10 Mar 2010 at 4:07 am Gazza

    As to what effect these vampire children may have on house prices- I will wait to see what the Daily Mail has to say about it before commenting rashly.

    Or whether vampires cause cancer?

  61. on 10 Mar 2010 at 4:09 am Gazza

    Ooops try the more up to date site
    Damned google.

  62. on 10 Mar 2010 at 10:05 am Massive Propagating Bee Extinction

    Philbert

    Jean-Paul Sartre famously said that hell is other people, but then again, all his mates were French.

    There you go – a French philosopher and an obscure sci-fi reference in one sentence. *blows on fingernails and buffs them on lapel*

    I think you’ll find that the actual content – I’m paraphrasing, to pre-empt the counter-pedant – was Holly saying to Lister about hell being trapped in a room with your friends forever, to which Lister then responded that all Sartre’s mates were French. This was because Lister was complaining about Holly bringing Rimmer back as a hologram to keep him sane, and not Selby or Chen or Lister’s best friend, Olaf Petersen. It was also revealed in the book that Holly in fact brought Rimmer back because his computer senility meant he had forgotten who Lister’s friends were, and brought Rimmer back simply because they shared a room.

    But I digress. The actual quote from Sartre, commonly translated as “Hell is other people”, (in the original French, “L’enfer, c’est les autres”) actually refers to the relation between oneself and the Other, and is not a commentary on the nature of the Other as intrinsically hellish but rather our interactions with the Other (“les autres”) and the way they affect us. Sartre was, after all, an existentialist, regardless of how much his ideas were a simplified non-advancement of those contained within Heidegger’s Sein und Zeit.

    However, that is an argument for another time, probably after I’m dead. But returning to my original premise of being a pedantic bastard about your use of French philosophy and sci-fi comedy, it was in fact just a sci-fi reference, as the original reference to 20th century French philosophy was contained in the original Red Dwarf quote. You therefore added nothing to the original except your misquoting, which was then revealed to be an incorrect interpretation anyway.

    Sincerely,
    Massive Propagating Bee Extinction (formerly known as Jesus Chris, owner of the Kelivinator fridge-freezer combo by Fisher and Paykel)

  63. on 10 Mar 2010 at 10:35 am Emohawk

    @ MPBE

    If my memory of the book serves me correctly, doesn’t Holly bring Rimmer back because he was the person with whom Lister shared the most words of conversation? Fourteen million, I believe. Don’t recall that bit about his computer senility.

    I went to the Red Dwarf convention in Northampton in 1994. I sometimes wake up at night screaming those words.

  64. on 10 Mar 2010 at 10:40 am Roeby

    @ Massive Propagating Bee Extinction

    This post made me sad.

  65. on 10 Mar 2010 at 10:47 am Massive Propagating Bee Extinction

    Emohawk

    @ MPBE

    If my memory of the book serves me correctly, doesn’t Holly bring Rimmer back because he was the person with whom Lister shared the most words of conversation? Fourteen million, I believe. Don’t recall that bit about his computer senility.

    I do believe the words, “Holly lied” appear at some point as Holly desperately tries to cover up the fact that he’s going senile and can’t remember anything. That’s not the only point where Holly outright lies as the reliable narrator fills you in on the bits you never got to hear during the TV series, but Holly doesn’t realise how much Lister hated Rimmer. Fourteen million words, and most of those were “smeg off”.

  66. on 10 Mar 2010 at 10:55 am Philbert

    @ MPBE

    I manage to link hell, French philosophy and advanced nerdology in one post, and you’re quibbling about the wording? Some folk are never satisfied.

  67. on 10 Mar 2010 at 10:56 am Massive Propagating Bee Extinction

    In fact, they do:

    “`I ran a probability check,’
    Holly lied”

    There’s a discussion about it from Usenet in 1993 right here. I’ll be horrified if I find out that I participated in it.

    In fact, Holly can’t even remember if it’s Sartre that said it…

  68. on 10 Mar 2010 at 10:57 am Massive Propagating Bee Extinction

    Philbert

    @ MPBE

    I manage to link hell, French philosophy and advanced nerdology in one post, and you’re quibbling about the wording? Some folk are never satisfied.

    Welcome to Pedantry, Alabama. Population: you and I.

  69. on 10 Mar 2010 at 11:40 am Emohawk

    @MPBE

    Fourteen million words, and most of those were “smeg off”.

    That was half of them – the other half were Rimmer putting Lister on report for telling him to smeg off. Think that line is from the TV show. Now, don’t get me started on the discrepancies between the two versions…

  70. on 10 Mar 2010 at 12:22 pm Kelvin

    Yes, really don’t get him started, because the “ASCII facepalm” button in the control panel is remarkably close to the “close comments” button and my aim this morning is being affected by a lack of whiskey.

  71. on 10 Mar 2010 at 12:50 pm Yossarian

    Some people see a young man expressing horrific rage and a vision of the violence to come.

    Some see a depiction of his sexual confusion and a lack of nuture from his mother.

    I see a whole lot of transference and this…

    http://thecraptastics.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtle.jpg

  72. on 10 Mar 2010 at 12:52 pm Cab Grunter (BA Kronos Studies from Starfleet Academy)

    My work here is done. :)

  73. on 10 Mar 2010 at 1:48 pm Edwin

    Saw the news this morning about the facebook group that had wrongly outed an innocent man as being John Venables, giving his address and inciting people to kill him.
    The news reported that the group had been removed, but for the benefit of those vigilantes that don’t use facebook, conveniently went on to name the poor man, and helpfully display his picture in the background.

  74. on 10 Mar 2010 at 2:18 pm Nelson

    I just went and looked at the Venables picture and proper lol’d.

    I’m around.

    My RSS feeds dried up when they changed stuff. Don’t seem to be able to subscribe to individual users any more. Sadface.

    The regulars are back on there though.

    Look, here’s HYS’s longest-running joke, Peter Sym.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/profile/?userid=2330669

    He’s VERY clever and AWFULLY knowledgeable about war.

  75. on 10 Mar 2010 at 8:00 pm Supercraggs

    You’ll like this Nelson.

    (We should have hung them when they were ten) && (Killing children is wrong and should be punished by death)
    {
    throw new LogicException(“WHAT THE CHRIST”);
    }

    I think my brain has just crashed.

  76. on 10 Mar 2010 at 8:53 pm Bugrat

    Look, here’s HYS’s longest-running joke, Peter Sym.

    In Nelson’s link, Peter_Sym says quite sane & rational things about the string-em-up tabloid frenzy in re the Venables issue. Is that atypical?

    Didn’t read any of his stuff on other pages..